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In a Mas Ayoob class several years ago, we had an exercise for weak side defense. That is, if your strong side is pinned against a wall, held at check by the bad guy, etc. what do you have/do on your weak side for defense?
 

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I carry SOG Slim Jim in my left front pocket. I really don't think of it as a weapon, but in that situation it's better than nothing.
 

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I'm having a hard time picturing what you have in mind. Please describe a bit more. Are you pinned face to the wall or face forward? On what part of your body is your attacker's strong arm? Is he right handed? Is he using one arm to pin and one
to hold a weapon against you, or two arms to pin; where are they?

I'll try to give you an answer once I can better visualize what you have in mind. Then, after several folks have posted
answers, I'll play with the options at the gym and let you know what I think might really work.

Lots of these situations can be handled just by raising an arm and rotating; or using your feet and/or elbows.
 
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I'm with Hopyard. I need more detail. There is no such thing as strong side or weak side if you train properly, and I'm not talking about using a firearm.
 

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Assuming you mean that I'm right handed and have my gun pinned against my chest in my hand, or my right hand is being used where I can't reach my gun in my holster, I carry a Benchmade knife if either my front or back pocket to grab with my left hand.
 

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Benchmade auto-open knife. I am left-handed but carry and shoot right-handed because I am right eye dominant. It makes week hand drills a snap.
 

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In a Mas Ayoob class several years ago, we had an exercise for weak side defense. That is, if your strong side is pinned against a wall, held at check by the bad guy, etc. what do you have/do on your weak side for defense?
With strong-side firearm carry, the weak side either has a BUG, knife and/or pepper spray.

There are all sorts of situations where one side or the other cannot be accessed, either due to circumstance, injury, being pinned or whatever. I much prefer to have a couple options available to a given hand. There's also the feet, elbows, forehead, quick/strong moves (if some simple H2H/CQB type physical skills have been learned), and playing dirty, too, which can be effective weapons in their own right.
 

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Assuming you mean that I'm right handed and have my gun pinned against my chest in my hand, or my right hand is being used where I can't reach my gun in my holster, I carry a Benchmade knife if either my front or back pocket to grab with my left hand.
Nice situation to try in the gym in the morning. Thanks.

Added much later. IF forearm is pinned against your chest near your wrist, this is a no brainer
to break from, and something readily done empty handed or with a knife or flashlight in your hand. With a pistol in your hand you could flex your wrist and go pow.

If pinned with your wrist against your chest it is a little more interesting problem.
Back after 11:30 AM Friday Central Time and I'll let you know what I think works.
Also, I'm still unsure what the OP's scenario really was. Hope he comes back and
adds detail.
 

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Depends on A LOT of things. Fights such as these are such a dynamic environment you never know what opportunities may present itself. With that said, don't count on being able to automatically bring your secondary tool into the fight if you find yourself in that position. He could already be coming at you with his own weapon, he may have an under hook or some form of tie up with your reaction hand and you may not be able to access a secondary tool. In fact trying to bring that into the fight very well make a bad situation worse.

My primary default thoughts are retention, am I being attacked with a weapon, not getting knocked unconscious or getting taken down to the floor. If he isn't attacking me with a tool or his fists/elbows then the focus is on carrying out combatives/softening techniques and regaining control of your arm and/or weapon (and not particularly in that order).
 

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Hmmm, sorry. Ok, I'm talking about either on the ground or up against a wall with your gun pinned in your holster and your strong arm immobilized. What do you do with your weak side IF you can't get your hand and gun free?
 

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The first thing I would do is spit in the attacker's face and bring my knees and elbows into the fight to try to free myself. Of course, if I had a weak side weapon of some kind I would attempt to use it. If I was pinned to the ground with someone on top of me I would try to bite off ears,nose, fingers etc. If I managed to free my gun hand I would shoot from any position that would not hit me. If all that failed I would cuss him severely before he killed me.
 

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@OP I misunderstood what you had in mind. I though you were talking about a scenario in which you began to draw
from a cross draw holster and you attacker shoved your arm or wrist back against your chest. I played with that this
morning and it really is a no brainer problem when you are in the moment and need to react. I had someone
shove my gun hand against my chest while simultaneously pinning my left shoulder, or pushing a forearm into my throat.

The two issues here quickly are gun retention and not shooting your offside hand as you try to bring it into play.
If you start out with it below the level of the muzzle, there is no way to bring it up to thwack the head without bringing
the arm in front of the gun.

Knees against knee can cause your attacker to rotate to his right, and as he does that your gun points straight at his
chest and goes boom. (Or with our play gun, click.)

I've repeated stated here I am not a tough guy. I am not naturally athletic. I started learning MA techniques after
I got a CHL as I realized that in up close situations the gun is a limited tool. At 70, and not in the best of health, I try to
play 3 days a week, and I urge anyone who carries to get some self-defense training and/or force on force training.

The gun isn't a magic tool, and there are plenty of situations where an impact tool such as a flashlight, a knife, pepper,
and some H2H skills might bring things to an end without the need to puncture someone with lead. There are also many situations in which you need to make space to bring a gun into play.

After reading the OP's clarification, post 13 seems like a pretty good answer though I might try a head butt to the nose
instead of the spit. There's nothing like a broken nose to take the fight out of folks.
 

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I've repeated stated here I am not a tough guy. I am not naturally athletic. I started learning MA techniques after
I got a CHL as I realized that in up close situations the gun is a limited tool. At 70, and not in the best of health, I try to
play 3 days a week, and I urge anyone who carries to get some self-defense training and/or force on force training.

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Hopyard-

I hope when I'm your age I'm still training like you! That is absolutely awesome!
 

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In a Mas Ayoob class several years ago, we had an exercise for weak side defense. That is, if your strong side is pinned against a wall, held at check by the bad guy, etc. what do you have/do on your weak side for defense?
I carry a Ruger LCP "weak side" front pocket. :wink:
 

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Hmmm, sorry. Ok, I'm talking about either on the ground or up against a wall with your gun pinned in your holster and your strong arm immobilized. What do you do with your weak side IF you can't get your hand and gun free?
If he is pushing into me into a wall like that he would likely have to be pushing me from my weak side. Since my gun and arm are pinned to the wall retention is not an issue. With that said, unless the assailant has a weapon or there is a major disparity of force, bringing my firearm into the fight doesn't even cross my mind. I'd be going h2h without hesitation such as a side head bunt or an elbow to their head. With a couple good strikes and equally important good footwork you can likely create space and thereby unpin your arm and firearm.
 

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If he is pushing into me into a wall like that he would likely have to be pushing me from my weak side. Since my gun and arm are pinned to the wall retention is not an issue. With that said, unless the assailant has a weapon or there is a major disparity of force, bringing my firearm into the fight doesn't even cross my mind. I'd be going h2h without hesitation such as a side head bunt or an elbow to their head. With a couple good strikes and equally important good footwork you can likely create space and thereby unpin your arm and firearm.
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Well if it is the wife attacking me i would just go with the flow.......it could happen:danceban:
 
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