What’s the point? Needing help in NY state.
I had contemplated the need for a self-defense handgun for years. Like so many others, I was finally motivated to apply for my CCW permit by the seemingly inevitable outcome of the ‘08 election. Not for fear of any threatened new restrictive gun laws. But by the increased dangers posed by the potential social ramifications of a radical political ideology.
Finally, close to a year after submitting my application paperwork, I have been “granted a firearms license for hunting and target shooting”.
I live near Buffalo, NY. I don’t hunt. And while I’ll obviously be at the range trying to get proficient with my chosen weapon, I have no interest whatsoever in any type of target shooting competition.
I want a gun for my personal protection.
Nothing less.
As I read these posts it‘s made abundantly clear that our concern for our safety is ongoing, continual, happening without interruption.
So what good, really, is my license to me if my gun is in my nightstand and the threat to my personal being is out in the world?
When I inquired as to how I should go about amending my application so that I may “demonstrate sufficient proper cause to be granted an unrestricted firearms license” I was told by the Pistol Permit Office to “wait three or four years and then re-apply”.
I don’t even own a pistol yet. But what’s the point? Should I feel grateful that “The Man” has granted me permission to buy a weapon but deemed it unnecessary (and unlawful!) for me to actually carry it?
Do I have any recourse but to move out of NY State?
Am I alone?
Finally, close to a year after submitting my application paperwork, I have been “granted a firearms license for hunting and target shooting”.
I live near Buffalo, NY. I don’t hunt. And while I’ll obviously be at the range trying to get proficient with my chosen weapon, I have no interest whatsoever in any type of target shooting competition.
I want a gun for my personal protection.
Nothing less.
As I read these posts it‘s made abundantly clear that our concern for our safety is ongoing, continual, happening without interruption.
So what good, really, is my license to me if my gun is in my nightstand and the threat to my personal being is out in the world?
When I inquired as to how I should go about amending my application so that I may “demonstrate sufficient proper cause to be granted an unrestricted firearms license” I was told by the Pistol Permit Office to “wait three or four years and then re-apply”.
I don’t even own a pistol yet. But what’s the point? Should I feel grateful that “The Man” has granted me permission to buy a weapon but deemed it unnecessary (and unlawful!) for me to actually carry it?
Do I have any recourse but to move out of NY State?
Am I alone?
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Welcome from Michigan!
I'm sorry that you feel this way. There are several options open to you. None of which will help you in the immediate future though. Obviously moving to a more gun-friendly state will expedited your ability to defend yourself, but even then you usually have residency requirements.
You should talk to some others that actually have their unrestricted license and seek advice from them. They may give you better information than the last person you spoke with. There will be others on this site that may be able to help.
The other thing you can do is VOTE. I know it is like hitting your head against a brick wall sometimes, but that is the process we have.
Good luck!
I'm sorry that you feel this way. There are several options open to you. None of which will help you in the immediate future though. Obviously moving to a more gun-friendly state will expedited your ability to defend yourself, but even then you usually have residency requirements.
You should talk to some others that actually have their unrestricted license and seek advice from them. They may give you better information than the last person you spoke with. There will be others on this site that may be able to help.
The other thing you can do is VOTE. I know it is like hitting your head against a brick wall sometimes, but that is the process we have.
Good luck!
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Forget the 3-4 year wait. In a place like NY the quickest way to a CCW is a hefty contribution to Bloombergs next political endeavor. I'll bet his supporters don't wait 3-4 years.
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Hello from Oregon.
Let me see. VERY high taxes, strict gun control, crowded, high crime rate. Tell me why you live in New York again.
Let me see. VERY high taxes, strict gun control, crowded, high crime rate. Tell me why you live in New York again.
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You've already got your obvious answer -- move. But, as easy as that is to say, it's not always that easy to do. Job, family, etc. can have as big an influence on where we live as political climate.
In the mean time, console yourself that you are at least able to now protect yourself part of the time which is better than none of the time. Don't know the statistics and don't want to spend the time looking them up but I'd guess you would be just about as likely to be the victim of violence in your home as you would be on the street. And while I don't know anything about NY law, I'd guess that your lack of any type of prior permit for hunting or target shooting was part of the decision to not issue you an unrestricted permit at this time. They may want you to prove yourself safe and responsible in those areas before they turn you loose on the streets. Not saying that's right, but may be part of their thought process.
Anyway, get your gun and be content with the ability to protect yourself in your own home for the time being. Move if you can but if not, keep working toward that unrestricted permit.
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In the mean time, console yourself that you are at least able to now protect yourself part of the time which is better than none of the time. Don't know the statistics and don't want to spend the time looking them up but I'd guess you would be just about as likely to be the victim of violence in your home as you would be on the street. And while I don't know anything about NY law, I'd guess that your lack of any type of prior permit for hunting or target shooting was part of the decision to not issue you an unrestricted permit at this time. They may want you to prove yourself safe and responsible in those areas before they turn you loose on the streets. Not saying that's right, but may be part of their thought process.
Anyway, get your gun and be content with the ability to protect yourself in your own home for the time being. Move if you can but if not, keep working toward that unrestricted permit.
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Welcome to the forum from Ohio.:wave: Step 1: Buy a firearm Step 2: Become proficient with it while at the same time researching job opportunities and housing costs in other states (excluding Illinois, Maryland, New Jersey as alternatives). Step 3: Move to another state and enjoy lower taxes and increased freedom. Best of luck to you.
ps: If you enjoy Buffalo weather, parts of northern Ohio would make you feel right at home.:wink:
ps: If you enjoy Buffalo weather, parts of northern Ohio would make you feel right at home.:wink:
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I think you should take your family and money and get out of NY as soon as you are able.
I don't know if you can get a Utah permit while living there? I got my permit in my home state, because I can. A few friends have the Utah permit--I think it lasts 5 years and costs less to renew.
I don't know if you can get a Utah permit while living there? I got my permit in my home state, because I can. A few friends have the Utah permit--I think it lasts 5 years and costs less to renew.
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:wave: Hi and welcome from Fort Worth TX! I feel your pain. But don't focus on things you can't control, focus on what you do control.
Buy a handgun that's suitable for concealed carry. Take it to the range and shoot targets. Get really good at target shooting, and get really comfortable with handguns.
I bet NY has a handgun/self-defense forum or association too. You're not alone, and although moving is a great idea, it may not be right for your situation.
Buy a handgun that's suitable for concealed carry. Take it to the range and shoot targets. Get really good at target shooting, and get really comfortable with handguns.
I bet NY has a handgun/self-defense forum or association too. You're not alone, and although moving is a great idea, it may not be right for your situation.
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Welcome from Alabama. You will have a lots of move to a more gun friendly state advice and that is the best solution, but it may not be feasible. So look at some things that are. Are there counties surrounding you that issue unrestricted permits more easily? If so is moving to one of them more feasible? This is the only other option I can come up with right now, but there may be others.
Do go ahead and get a firearm suitable for concealed carry and become proficient with it. Then regardless of what happens you are prepared.
Do go ahead and get a firearm suitable for concealed carry and become proficient with it. Then regardless of what happens you are prepared.
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Welcome from Missouri.
First off, I would recommend you start a similar thread in the General Firearms Discussion area and be sure to include in your title that you need help specific to NY State residents.
That way you are more apt to get help from a lot more people who live in NY and have been through the process.
At least you do not live in NYC. From my understanding, that is a big plus.
BTW... having your "revelation" regarding personal defense is better late than never. Do not give up or become discouraged.
Big moves are always difficult to even contemplate. Especially in tough economic times, however, if you are serious as to being able to protect yourself and enjoy the fullest extent the 2nd Amendment has to offer, you may consider moving to another State sometime in the future. Unless you have something that is just absolutely holding you to NY.
By all means, go ahead and get yourself a decent self defense firearm and learn to shoot it in the mean time!
Good luck in your quest for information and I hope you will remain a member here and continue sharing and learning.
First off, I would recommend you start a similar thread in the General Firearms Discussion area and be sure to include in your title that you need help specific to NY State residents.
That way you are more apt to get help from a lot more people who live in NY and have been through the process.
At least you do not live in NYC. From my understanding, that is a big plus.
BTW... having your "revelation" regarding personal defense is better late than never. Do not give up or become discouraged.
Big moves are always difficult to even contemplate. Especially in tough economic times, however, if you are serious as to being able to protect yourself and enjoy the fullest extent the 2nd Amendment has to offer, you may consider moving to another State sometime in the future. Unless you have something that is just absolutely holding you to NY.
By all means, go ahead and get yourself a decent self defense firearm and learn to shoot it in the mean time!
Good luck in your quest for information and I hope you will remain a member here and continue sharing and learning.
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