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They were all stabbed, lol. A couple of them had no situation awareness at all.
The store clerk was stupid. Two weeks prior the guy tried to rob/knife you. You stop him. He comes in a week later and says he is going to kill you. He then comes in a week later and you act like nothing has happened and shoot the breeze with him, while the other guy walks up behind you!!! Stupid.
The guy leaving the store with someone right on his butt..... the guy walks in while you are basically walking out and turns around and follows you out. No wareness at all.
Security guard was not paying attention. I thought the guy was pulling a gun and the guard never noticed...he is lucky to be alive.
 

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none of them were aware of there suroundings at all never let some one circle behind you unchecked
 

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In defense of the Jewerly SG, he is pretty close to the door, his reaction time that close what 3 feet tops is limited.

2nd - The clerk kept looking behind him at the other guy, so he knew, he should have been behind the counter anyways. He got lucky also it looks like.

3rd - Guy coming out of store, how many times have I looked around coming out of a store exactly like that, especially with someone right behind me (Tammi's) just down the road from me. Situational awareness is absolutely correct on these two.

4th - From Turkey? I'm not sure what happened there, it looked like they were walking together, I didn't read anything differently though, maybe I missed something and the one just went off the deep end.

5th - Those check point guards should have definitely been aware, it looked like they were having problems with her prior anyways, that should have alerted them.
 

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In defense of the Jewerly SG, he is pretty close to the door, his reaction time that close what 3 feet tops is limited.
Look at what he does when the first two people come through the door. Also, as you point out, he's positioned himself such that he can't react properly even if he does detect something.

2nd - The clerk kept looking behind him at the other guy, so he knew, he should have been behind the counter anyways. He got lucky also it looks like.
Clerk is in condition Yellow when he should be in condition Orange. If you are in a convenience store, whenever a new person walks in, you should usually move to condition orange temporarily.

3rd - Guy coming out of store, how many times have I looked around coming out of a store exactly like that, especially with someone right behind me (Tammi's) just down the road from me. Situational awareness is absolutely correct on these two.
Yep.

4th - From Turkey? I'm not sure what happened there, it looked like they were walking together, I didn't read anything differently though, maybe I missed something and the one just went off the deep end.
We don't know. Let's make the assumption that someone approached him on the street, started walking next to him and talking to him at the same time "Hey man, I need correct change for the parking meter and all I got is this $5 bil..."
 

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None of the victims know the threat continuum. Condition Orange is not the same as Condition Yellow. Close-up threats, especially, require definite responses.
The jewelry store guard saw staggerring and, by remaining seated, failed to treat the behavior differently from any other normal customer.
The store clerk failed to go from Condition Orange to Condition Red and seemed completely to fail to recognize when a criminal who threatened his life stayed within arm's length of him while an accomplice distracted him.
The woman in Turkey wanted to pretend that ignoring a threat makes it go away and paid a price she will remember for the rest of her life.
The greatest shocker is for trained Israeli security to exercise no tactical response to an uncooperative subject even to the point of most of them turning their back on her and the others too far away to respond. I'm not a cop, but, obviously, they let the situation get out of hand when it gets to the point of not being able to react to a deadly threat.
The cop coming out of the store was oblivious to the threat until he saw the reflection in his own car. The assailant knew when to strike. It might happen to anybody. I hope that you, I, and our cops are never so dismissive of possible threats: better to check who might sneak out the door behind you when there's noone there than to end up a robbery victim in the hospital.
 

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I see a common link in each scenario, they all weren't watching the attackers hands.
 

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All lost some or all situational awareness.
This can certainly happen to anyone, but that's what we talk about all the time here on this forum.
Any time, any place..."Have a plan to kill everyone you meet." This means everyone...no plan, then you suffer the consequesces.:blink:
 

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Look at what he does when the first two people come through the door. Also, as you point out, he's positioned himself such that he can't react properly even if he does detect something.



Clerk is in condition Yellow when he should be in condition Orange. If you are in a convenience store, whenever a new person walks in, you should usually move to condition orange temporarily.



Yep.



We don't know. Let's make the assumption that someone approached him on the street, started walking next to him and talking to him at the same time "Hey man, I need correct change for the parking meter and all I got is this $5 bil..."

Security Guard, reviewed it again, yes, he does turn away slightly, I agree, wrong move. Still, that close, reaction time is limited, but I will give in that he could have been more aware that the dude went to the glass (or at least it looked like) he was trying to get in the wrong way, that was my first tip it wasn't one of the ones inside already.
 

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I see a common link in each scenario, they all weren't watching the attackers hands.
None of them was even aware there was an attacker in time to look at the attacker's hands, except for perhaps the first security guard, but not by much.
 
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