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I have a general question here. Now days more than ever everyone seems to want the 1,000 or more pistola or a 400.00 knife. What ever happend to the basics a good pistol that fires every time regardless of brand and you can handle it well. A good knife that you can use to peel apples and help your son or grandson complete his derby car for scouts. Thus, if you really think about it you can have the greatest equipment in the world but if you don't have the knowledge, mind set and will to use it you are just as dead as the next man.

Specifically, do you feel more safe carrying a Wilson 1911 or your basic Springfield Milspec that fires consistently, do you feel safer carrying your super custom blade or your basic Gerber from Wally world because if it does go down will you really have time to announce the brand you are packing. "Oh excuse me Mr. Killer I have a Wilson 1911 Custom so if I were you I would stop attacking me now." I guess I am naive but I still believe that unless it is my time that a well trained good guy will and can over come a bad guy any day. :cool:

Guys and Gals lets dedicate our self to training with what works regardless and of name brand and maker, and place our faith in the Good Lord above, :cool: and believe that if necessary he will give us the strength and the courage to breath, relax and squeeze if needed.
 

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Guys and Gals lets dedicate our self to training with what works regardless and of name brand and maker, and place our faith in the Good Lord above, :cool: and believe that if necessary he will give us the strength and the courage to breath, relax and squeeze if needed.
I concur sir. The trouble is I think, and I'm speaking for myself here, we get so worried about the gadget aspects of this whole thing we forget that simply preparing our minds and bodies to be able to pull the trigger if something happens is what is paramount.

It's true that all the skill in the world is in vain if an angel pisses into the lock of your musket, but rock solid reliable guns can be had for a lot less money than I used to think.

Knives are funny. See guns follow a most logical trend for the most part. With very few exceptions, anything actually useable starts at $200 and something that crosses the threshold into your more effective handguns happens at $350, then it just gets slightly better and slightly better at every $50 increment from there on end. But knives are weird. An $8 Mora is far better than a $25 Made in China special. I've had $65 knives that were worse than $10 knives, and better than some $100+ knives. Some of the best knives are among the cheapest, and some of the worst knives are among the most expensive.
 

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i feel comfortable carrying what ever i know works weather its 250 like my colt cobra 38 or my 2 800 Springer loaded 1911 i know they work so i carry them .. havent bought anything to cost me over 1k yet so cant comment on that
 

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Well, this is America:unitedsta (The Greatest Country On The Planet) & we do have serious & talented "Carry People" here that can afford to carry exactly what they want to carry & that is perfectly fine with me.
I think it's just fine if an individual wants to carry an extra nice super high quality or custom built firearm. It can only benefit the shooter if they feel "as one as possible" with their carry firearm & trust it 100%.
Some shooters honestly do reach a skill level where they desire certain idiosyncratic custom modifications that will "make up" their PERFECT individual carry handgun. I think that is great. Is it absolutely necessary? For sure it is not.
There are some real Junque handguns floating around & I don't anybody should carry those. People should carry (at least) the highest quality firearm that they can afford to buy & afford to practice with.
How ever far they want to go "above and beyond that point" should be up to the individual...and their personal pocketbook.
Remember that MANY of the great improvements that we have on the STANDARD firearms of today STARTED OUT as true custom modifications on higher priced custom handguns. Those modifications "filtered down" to BOX STOCK handguns & to the benefit of ALL less wealthy handgun buyers.

Concerning knives...in my opinion - same deal - carry (at least) a good quality knife & as far as you want to take it...go there...if you can afford it.
What a TOTALLY boring world it would be if everybody only had the chance to buy what was absolutely "basic and functional."

It would be like Communist Russia here. :hand4:
"Comrade...Same Refrigerator For Everybody...Keeps Food Cold...What More You Need?"
 

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I certainly don't think tricked out toys have any great advantage - tho it could be argued that hi-vis/night sights are a bonus - at a price of course.

My early carry was a used M85 Taurus snub - wife now keeps it for purse carry. If that still was all I had I'd not feel overly vulnerable.

Over time tho I have progressed and explored numerous platforms. The reason for my SIG choice, now daily carry - was purely based on function, ergonomics - plus adding my CT's and having night sights all made for a great package.

The downside was cost - I'd have liked to have got it way cheaper. So - the price was if you will the consequence - of purchasing what I had come to see as about my (personal) ultimate platform. Had I not had the cash then like as not I'd still be carrying the SP-101 - another way less costly option that I placed great reliance on.

Bottom line - as ever, and within personal fiscal constraints - what works for you :smile: And practice with that - a lot..... adding the most obvious caveat - it MUST go bang, every time!
 

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I feel more comfortable carrying a pistol which is reliable and one that I'm not concerned with wear or cosmetic damage. An everyday carry pistol is going to get a significant amount of holster wear and is almost gauranteed to be dropped once or twice. Not to mention the fact that if you should happen to need to use it, it will be confiscated and possibly not returned for a length of time. I would also never spend more than $100 on a knife. A $40 pig sticker is fine for me. It will get the job done. No need to be flashy with something that most people shouldn't even know you're carrying.
 

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Remember that MANY of the great improvements that we have on the STANDARD firearms of today STARTED OUT as true custom modifications on higher priced custom handguns. Those modifications "filtered down" to BOX STOCK handguns & to the benefit of ALL less wealthy handgun buyers.
QK I gotta disagree with you to a point.

We did not get internal locks from customs.

We did not get guns that won't fire without a magazine in them from customs.

We sure did not get MIM parts from customs. :tongue:

And we didn't get loaded chamber indicators from them either.

Who has their gun customized to include any of these things? :rolleyes:

No if anything our guns are being designed by Brady instead of Browning any more and the customs are going to eventually be what it takes to overcome that. I can't wait until a new sub $650 handgun has so many legally required "safety features" that it's not useable and the only game in town will be the used market and the high end custom market. Smart guns are going to be the norm here pretty soon and I refused to trust a grocery scanner with my life.

And it doesn't matter if only one state requires any of these features, because then the gunmakers make them all that way so they can sell to all 50 states without hassle.

The point being that the custom market, well I don't see it as having too much to do with the development of service pistols any more. If anything whatever Brady says our guns are going to look like, that's what determines what kinds of features most people's guns will have.

I think it's going to go the other way. I think the custom market is going to turn into people wanting their guns back to "stock" instead of people taking regular "stock" guns and making them better.

Already there's a sizable demand for someone to be able to customize certain guns to disable these ridiculous features and someone is going to start cashing in on it if they haven't already. I'm surprised some after market company isn't making new, hole-less sideplates for Smith and Wesson revolvers.

Looks like I am ranting incohrently again. It actually saddens me to think that in 10 years, people might well drool over guns because they have been custom modified to lack features instead of having features.
 

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What do you depend on ?
Awareness.
Training.

Prefer a Bone stock Gov't 1911 or OLDer blued K frame. I'd much rather tote a bone stock 870 with slugs than a handgun...

Then again it is the archer not the arrow.

I wear tennis shoes most times...beat feet not a bad option...
 

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I would rather have a $600 Colt Gov't. (insert your favorite brand here) that works 100% of the time than a $2000 "whatever" that works 98% of the time.
 

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We did get DAO pistols - We did get checkered front straps - We did get drop in trigger jobs - We did get better barrels - We did get HD extractors - We did get custom & better sights - We did get aluminum triggers - We did get opened up magazine wells - We did get factory lowered ejection ports - We did get better magazine followers - We did Get Extended slide releases - We did get Ambi safeties - We did get compact pistol versions - We did get higher quality parts (like the bullet proof parts) - We did get drop-free mags -
We did get (usually) better grips - We did get (yuk) full length guide rods - We did get factory reconfigured frames that allow the pistol to sit lower in the hand - We got serrated slide tops - Front slide serrations (another yuk that some people love) - We got factory barrel throat jobs - Now we have revolvers reintroduced with Color Case Hardened frames which was Strictly Custom for a very long time - Euclidean...I really have not even really thought HARD about it yet & I came up with the above. Cripes...The ONLY REASON Gun Makers are producing factory short barreled versions of magnum revolvers was a direct result of Custom Smiths chopping down the traditional long barreled factory standard versions. :wink:
The only reason gun makers ever saw a market for kick butt HOT & Heavy revolvers configured in small tight packages is because savvy early custom smiths were doing High Dollar Conversions rechambering, rebarreling & modifying existing anemic revolvers into custom carry packages.
Custom smiths started melting & radiusing hard edges to make an overall smoother carry gun & now "some" wise gun makers are doing that right at the factory. They SURE ARE doing that (at least) with rear sights.
I could go on & on.
 

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Yeah I know but I was ranting incoherently. Everything that we take for granted now comes from something that used to be super expensive. Cell phones, linerlock knives, personal computers...

I just need to rant about something that makes me angry...

But every time I hear about something new and great my first thought is "Swell, that'll be illegal by the time it filters down to me..."
 

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Oh no...We're BOTH Right! How can that be?
Along with the good (For Sure) comes some bad.
I am not happy about some of the things I see happening to handguns, rifles, AND Shotguns.
That is sad.

And...Yes, Why DOES all of the fun stuff hafta be illegal.
It's the old...If It's Fun...we don't want you to do it...routine!!
Ya can't even legally shoot off fireworks in Pennsylvania anymore!
Geesh...you gotta go watch somebody else get paid to set off fireworks! :mad:
 

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Ya can't even legally shoot off fireworks in Pennsylvania anymore!
QK - got a link to any legal stuff on that? Keep hearing about it but not yet seen a definitive bit of law.

All I guess tho part of the increasing ''nannyism'' - something else ''too dangerous'' for mere peons to manage safely!

Mind you - there'd have to be 1,000's of cops available for July 4 and New Year's to stand a chance of catching and prosecuting - not to mention the out of state ''real'' fireworks that folks ''aquire''! LOL
 

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IMHO you get what you pay for. I'd rather own a HK than a Kel-tec, and a Strider knife over a "no name" knife bought at K-Mart.
 

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Price and custom guns have nothing to do with reliability. They work or don't work. Your job is to prove that through extensive training before you need to depend on them with your life. I just had my dream gun made this year. Full custom Browning High Power, but after 6 months of trying to adapt my grip to keep myself from locking the slide open early, I've gone back to a Glock. Years of IPSC and the "high thumbs" grip can not be unlearned fast enough for me and to have an early slide lock on the range is nowhere near as inconvenient as in a gun fight. So, I'm back to a gun that allows my mode of operation, one that I shoot better than any other, and one that I won't cry over if I trash it's finish in training for a real world jam.

You are the weapon, you must determine and prepare for battle, you must be willing to win at all costs. If this is not your goal, then please reconsider why you carry a gun.
 

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True, there is that old saying that goes "you get what you pay for". Well folks, I'm here to tell you that sometimes it's true and sometimes it's not. There are many fine, reliable, well made knives and guns available that can be considered inexpensive (relative to others of their kind) and there a more than a few high end, big buck guns and knives that I wouldn't own if they were given to me because they aren't reliable, they are priced way too high (you're often paying for a name only) for what you get or I just don't like the look or feel of the gun/knife. I suppose it's all a matter of personal preference and taste.

The real "problem" I often see when it comes to a weapon is what I call price or brand snobbery. There are quite a few people that swear by the "fact" that if a gun doesn't cost at least $500 - and often 3-4 times that much - and isn't made in Germany or a custom shop here in the USA, it's junk. I personally think that as long as your choice of gun (or knife, or car or anything else you buy) does what you want it to do and you're happy with it, it doesn't matter if it's made in Fiji or it cost $200 or $2,000. Bottom line is, my choice of anything, be it clothes, car, house, gun or whatever it may be, is MY choice and shouldn't be the subject of ridicule simply because it's not as expensive, has the name recognition or has the current "in" status of something else. As long as it does the job it was intended to do and I'm satisfied with it, to each their own is my motto.
 

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Well, what were the results of the ICE torture testing? That was probably one of, if not the, most extensive torture test ever. And which guns prevailed? Consider this quote from Mr. ERHARDT, Director of Marketing for Sigarms:

"...If you still doubt this, or can't belive that your beloved H&K, S&W, Beretta, Springfield Armory or Glock could possibly lose to the SIG SAUER just do this simple test. Buy 3 million rounds of the same test ammo and shoot it through the pistols. Earmark 250,000 for the SIGs. Once you have completed the testing you'll know what we and the DHS and USCG know." - ERHARDT

The ammo used in the test was "hotter" than all manufacturers expected so it placed maximum demands on the guns. Maybe the gun does make some difference.

The point is no matter how good you are, how much you improve, how aware you are, how tactical you are, if the time comes when your life depends on your gun it better do what you expect it to. After all, if awareness and tactics were so sufficient, we really wouldn't need to carry a gun would we? We'd just out aware and out tactical them.

If Sig and H&K prevailed against the other manufacturers in the ICE tests, surely that means something.
 
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