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I am wondering if any one has a "family plan" in case they are involved in a shooting. We put together a plan years ago when I was verbally confronted with a BG in a public place. I just read a LE article covering some of these same points:

1. Do exactly what I tell you, and don't ask questions
2. Get as far away from me as quickly as you can, then call the police.
3. Do not try and help me if I'm shot, you will only draw fire and get in the
line of my return fire.
4. I will not have time to protect you so stay away from me no matter what
happens.
5. When you call the police stay on the line give them your description and
location and my description and location.
6. Describe the circumstances to the police, stay calm.
7. Stay out of sight and behind cover until the police or I come and get you.

Lets hear what plans you have.
 

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1. Take cover
2. Return fire until the BG is no longer a threat.
3. Reload if necessary
 

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huckster, those are great ideas. I am going to copy that and email it to my gf.
 

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Great post!

I have copied your list and will give it to the wife to discuss.

We do have a plan of sorts.
I have a series of code words, that mean anything from keep an eye out to run like heck and don't look back while calling 911. It could stand some improvement though.
 

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Unfortunately, my significant other is the type that turns on the darn lights when I'm trying to peer out a darkened room window.....plan? Run from her as quickly as possible and shoot at the BG on the fly!!! :hh30:
 

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All good stuff - can't really fault it at all. Well worth further consideration and spousal discussion.
 

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I should probably tell mine that when she comes to after fainting to continue to play possum. :tongue: Seriously, I think I will print this out and have the discussion.
 

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Unfortunately, my significant other is the type that turns on the darn lights when I'm trying to peer out a darkened room window.....plan? Run from her as quickly as possible and shoot at the BG on the fly!!!
i'm glad i'm not the only one with a significant other like that.

that's my plan too.

matt
 

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Great post, Huckster.
 

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Sounds great Huckster!

This plan works well with any situation involving a bad guy wether it involves a firearm, bladed weapons or an empty hand self defense situation.

However, I just have just a few comments.


About number 2. "Get as far away from me as quickly as you can, then call the police."

I always say "Get behind me!" first. Then, "Get as far away from me as quickly as you can, then call the police" sounds prudent. That way, I know that a bad guy has to get past ME first and he or she won't be in my line of fire. If I'm cornered, I'll jockey for an escape route for whomever else I'm protecting.


About number 4. ("I will not have time to protect you) so stay away from me no matter what happens."

Perhaps this should sound more protective of the person you are with? If you engage a bad guy you are responsible for both of you not just yourself. I mean, I wouldn't say it like this to my 11 year old daughter.

How about this? "My ability see where you are is next to none once I engage an attacker. When you see this happen. RUN! and KEEP RUNNING no matter what you see or hear. Then it leads into getting to a phone or staying hidden

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Most of these posts seem to imply that the S.O. has no weapon. I would guess things would be different if both were capable of defense... or would you guys want to try and keep your SO out of it?

I always assumed that if the situation warranted it that BOTH of you pull weapons and defend.

The plan I had was for us (if there was just my SO and me) to separate by about 10-12 feet (using cover if possible).
 

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LPguy,

Thanks for the reply but I have a differing opinion as far is having someone getting behind me. If there is a hail of gun fire and its directed towards me that puts anyone behind me also in the line of fire.

Knowing from experience with armed encounters and training you will get "tunnel vision". Basic survival instincts kick in. You will concentrate more on the threat being neutralized than giving instructions out. I would want my family to flee before gunfire erupted for a few reasons:
1. A moving target is harder to hit.
2. Multiple moving targets make it even more difficult to acquire target acquistion.
3. The BG will have more information to process in the confusion of people moving,
hopefully slowing his response. Thus giving me time to stop the threat with
minimal collateral damage (target seperation). Remember, you are accountable for
every bullet fired.

Of course, every situation will be different due to distance, enviroment and your own personal capabilities and the abilities of family members.

Huck
 

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Here in WI I can carry due to occupation. No CCW for the Mrs. However, if she could carry I would feel sorry for the BG :hand4: The Mrs. can shoot with the best of'em (had a good teacher, me :biggrin: ). Thats a fury I pity the fool who would unleash it.

Obviously, if you had a SO that could carry, by all means survival may depend on your partner.
 

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Wife carries but not 16/7 - so this is something I think we need to run thru together. certainly I reckon split up - fast - and so make for some possible confusion with BG. Whether both armed or just me - cover is first priority if at all possible. If no time for that route then still make for a rapid separation - distance is friend.

If both armed then likely the BG may have chosen a very bad day to spoil his Cheerios - assuming just the one! Could be very different of course.
 

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Also a "given" for me---- my wife does not carry---sooooo----we train that I will protect her------ but-----my friends that do not carry and their wives,I WILL NOT PROTECT. I have no duty to protect them. They are on their own. Most of my friends probably just assume that I carry. I had one friend that asked me in private,"what would you do if me and my wife and ya'll was out to dinner and xyz happened? I promptly let him know,"bubba,your on your own,GOOD LUCK". It sounds cruel ---- but ---- we all have priorities,mine is me and my wife. How many of ya'll out there know people that "just assume" that you will protect them. They feel that it's your job to take care of them cuz they are to darned lazy to get their CCW and train to be prepared. Some of them are even anti-gun and/or CCW. The above list of what to do if --it hits the fan looks real good to me . The list that the wife and I go by is very similar. A few things are different but that's just us. The very,very,important thing is that----WE ALL MUST HAVE A PLAN !----
 

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Huckster,

Good point on the getting behind me during gunfire.......not a wise course of action for me to recommend........I'm all too familiar with tunnel vision and loss of fine motor skills during an altercation. I'll rethink my tactics on this one.



Mike
 
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