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This read is funny as hell and all, but seriously, I don't understand. If it's concealed, what is there to camouflage, unless you are concerned about printing. I really don't worry about it since nobody notices anyway. Although, I wouldn't turn down a stroll with J-Lo.
Most people don't even notice if you are open carrying... All too often, people are involved in their own little worlds and just don't notice what is going on around them...
 

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This read is funny as hell and all, but seriously, I don't understand. If it's concealed, what is there to camouflage, unless you are concerned about printing. I really don't worry about it since nobody notices anyway. Although, I wouldn't turn down a stroll with J-Lo.
What made you think "nobody notices?" If they have a sidearm only on one side, I notice, even if it is NOT an N Frame. It changes the walk.

At least two kinds of folks notice. Convicts and correctional officers escorting inmates in public. Yes. I intended it mostly as humor from the onset, but I thought it would provoke some thinking relevant to concealed carry, too. We had a sergeant at the back gate let an armed deputy through. His choice was fired or retired.

Some of the 1600 inmates might have missed him walking across the compound with his jacket on. My job was to supervise inmates. I watch to see what they watch. It is a clue when something is wrong. I am overtly heterosexual, but J-Lo could walk down the street naked next to an armed escort and I would notice her escort. My brains are above my beltline since I turned 45. My X cured me of being manipulated by a woman. I am not like Cousin Bill Clinton.
 

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Most people don't even notice if you are open carrying... All too often, people are involved in their own little worlds and just don't notice what is going on around them...
Yes. I call them Democrats. I do not care what most people notice. I care about what felons notice. They are less than one percent of the population, but they count and they are always looking for vulnerable victims. If you open carry on the right, it should be disabled and your weapon concealed on the left.

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Most people don't even notice if you are open carrying... All too often, people are involved in their own little worlds and just don't notice what is going on around them...
People who aren't "gun people" won't notice whether someone is carrying (even badly) or not. But people who DO know something about guns (including bad guys, CWP-holders, and cops) WILL notice if you aren't concealing well, or if you do any of the "tells" (like feeling of your gun).
 

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What made you think "nobody notices?" If they have a sidearm only on one side, I notice, even if it is NOT an N Frame. It changes the walk.
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Well, I suppose you called me out on my generalization and you are correct. You are an obvious exception as are many people who carry. I have read articles on how to spot CC people, mostly by the way they dress and/or walk. I also notice more based on people lifting their arms and exposing their waistlines or things like that. With cell phone holders, fanny packs and tactical/baggy pants/loose shirts, plus the micro-pistol proliferation, it does become difficult to confirm.
However, I'm still scratching my head on your term "camaflage" for CC. What exactly do you mean? Wearing plaid pants?
 

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However, I'm still scratching my head on your term "camaflage" for CC. What exactly do you mean? Wearing plaid pants?
First, I do not see myself as an exception. If anything, I am less aware than others due to low pain sensitivity, bad vision, tinnitus, and a complete lack of the ability to smell. Even my sense of taste seems to be going. I have no business calling out anyone. "Am I the only one here who is not unique?" is a favorite nonsense saying of mine. If you prick me, do I not bleed? To answer that, I measure my blood glucose five times a day. It never looks blue or green.

Second, the intent of camouflage is to make something blend into the background. I can carry on both sides with two sidearms or carry ammo on one side and the sidearm on the other, but having it blend into my beltline is a bit more complex. You have a good list of common methods. Regarding "micro-pistols," if it is six inches in overall length is becomes harder to pocket. If it is less, it has less than 147 foot-pounds of muzzle energy I consider to be the minimum.
 

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I am sorry I got off track, but I quit working out long before because it had no effect on my weight. I was going on an incline treadmill 30 hours a week climbing the equivalent of 35,000 feet. Going to a 1500 calorie diet with 5% carbs did the job. Taking the vaccine can likely make you a super spreader because you are a carrier with no symptoms.
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OMGosh! YOU ARE FAT PHOBIC. Stop with the body shaming!

LOL. I read a great UK study on what we already knew: being fat kills ya and kills ya faster via Rice Rabies.
 

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I do not care what most people notice. I care about what felons notice. They are less than one percent of the population, but they count and they are always looking for vulnerable victims. If you open carry on the right, it should be disabled and your weapon concealed on the left.
Ahhh, the ol' "criminal might take your gun" argument... Used all the time in the open vs concealed carry debates... When I start seeing criminals intentionally attacking police in order to get their guns, THEN I'll consider it might be a valid argument... A person having a scuffle with an officer for some other reason and the person trying to get the gun at that point does not count because it is just survival instinct to want to disarm your opponent in such a situation even if you do have no desire to shoot your opponent... I tend to subscribe to the philosophy that a criminal will usually deter his criminal behavior if he sees someone armed -- either go elsewhere to find an easier target or wait until a more defenseless target shows up...
 

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OMGosh! YOU ARE FAT PHOBIC. Stop with the body shaming!

LOL. I read a great UK study on what we already knew: being fat kills ya and kills ya faster via Rice Rabies.
Never make an assumption like that. You absolutely do not know me. I was at 285 pounds when I began to be hit by Type 2 Diabetes. I do not care if people look fat or are fat. I have liked well rounded adult women al my life, but I stick to the facts. I have lived with two women with cancer for a total of four times. Both were overweight. One died. The other just had a quadruple bypass at over 70, but she had cancer twice since I have known her. I care what is in people's head, not what is on their bones. Everything I said is based on my education, research, and experience with serious health problems, including my own.
 

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Ahhh, the ol' "criminal might take your gun" argument... Used all the time in the open vs concealed carry debates... When I start seeing criminals intentionally attacking police in order to get their guns, THEN I'll consider it might be a valid argument... A person having a scuffle with an officer for some other reason and the person trying to get the gun at that point does not count because it is just survival instinct to want to disarm your opponent in such a situation even if you do have no desire to shoot your opponent... I tend to subscribe to the philosophy that a criminal will usually deter his criminal behavior if he sees someone armed -- either go elsewhere to find an easier target or wait until a more defenseless target shows up...
Felons do intentionally attack police. Brown attacked Wilson. Most seek a vulnerable victim. You turn your attention and they will bash your head in. An officer who relieve me on the weight pile at the change of shift had a weight bar used on his head. Before he got there, I was specifically watching the inmate who did it. The officer quit and went to work in a more dangerous job. He was working a convenience store clerk job and got robbed. That concussion did not improve his awareness.

My experience with robbers, rapists, and murderers, many of whom I read the presentence reports on, is deterrence is a fiction. They do not think they will be caught; until they are. They do not think they will be convicted; until they are. They do not think they will be sentenced to incarceration, until they are. They have not said to me, "I will never do that again." They claim, "You'll never catch me doing that again." It is called "corrosion and cutoff" in my former profession. They keep discounting the risks until they re-offend. 88% of convicted felons re-offend and are caught within five years. The other 12% learn how to delay being caught. Their victims are never made whole. Never give them an opportunity.

I absolutely am no expert on using a firearm for self-defense. Understanding the criminal mind with regard to deterrence was part of my profession. Walls and fences do not deter escapes. Armed officers watching them from a safe distance do
 
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Felons do intentionally attack police. Brown attacked Wilson. Most seek a vulnerable victim. You turn your attention and they will bash your head in. An officer who relieve me on the weight pile at the change of shift had a weight bar used on his head. Before he got there, I was specifically watching the inmate who did it. The officer quit and went to work in a more dangerous job. He was working a convenience store clerk job and got robbed. That concussion did not improve his awareness.

My experience with robbers, rapists, and murderers, many of whom I read the presentence reports on, is deterrence is a fiction. They do not think they will be caught; until they are. They do not think they will be convicted; until they are. They do not think they will be sentenced to incarceration, until they are. They have not said to me, "I will never do that again." They claim, "You'll never catch me doing that again." It is called "corrosion and cutoff" in my former profession. They keep discounting the risks until they re-offend. 88% of convicted felons re-offend and are caught within five years. The other 12% learn how to delay being caught. Their victims are never made whole. Never give them an opportunity.

I absolutely am no expert on using a firearm for self-defense. Understanding the criminal mind with regard to deterrence was part of my profession. Walls and fences do not deter escapes. Armed officers watching them from a safe distance do. No officer engages in open carry in a prison.
 

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Example of great………camouflage…..do you see a gun?!
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My daughter in law didn't notice the woman walking past her OCing a full sixed pistol. Wife didn't notice another woman OCing a pistol.
 

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Second, the intent of camouflage is to make something blend into the background. I can carry on both sides with two sidearms or carry ammo on one side and the sidearm on the other, but having it blend into my beltline is a bit more complex. ...
How can something blend into the background if it is already really concealed? One other thought to ponder, if someone is going out of their way to try to camouflage concealed carry (that you've established a trained eye would notice), wouldn't the camouflage itself be a tip-off as well? For example, wearing a loose, long tail, plaid shirt untucked? You also established that the way a person walks can be a tip. How do you camouflage that - use a walking cane? I'm not being trite, I'm wanting to know where you are coming from. This might be a good discussion if there were more specifics.
 

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Nobody says anything =/= Nobody noticed.
I've noticed a couple of church "security" guys printing; they wear regular size solid untucked shirt.
I don't say anything to them, but I notice.
They won't see me printing even if they looked for it, hard. (I dress not to print).
 
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