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I was in Best Buy with my wife to buy a movie yesterday. While browsing a child saw my cell phone hanging from under my shirt and proceeded to walk up and try to lift my shirt to see it better. In plain view of his Father I told the child no and removed his hand from my person. Less than a minute later he tried it again. This time I yelled STOP, DON'T DO IT AGAIN! and gently pushed him away. I looked at the father and we stared at each other for a few seconds and only then did he discipline his child. I did not speak to the father, because I was raised not to say anything to someone unless it was something nice, and of course I had a few choice words ready had he said anything (beside the point). Anyway, this kid could have exposed my carry piece to the entire store and we do have brandishing laws in Florida. I know how I would have handled an adult trying to do this, (elbow to the head) but it just never occured to me that people are not teaching kids not to touch people. So, did I handle this ok, what would you have done differently? I don't have or want kids, so I am a little cynical when it comes to dealing with them, but this really bothered me and made me re-think my procedures when carrying.
 

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seems odd, someone would allow their child to approach and touch a stranger. especially twice. Sounds as if you handled it well. I think asking the parent to control their kid would not be out of line either. How old was the kid?
 

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I have a 4 yr old. he is still pretty young but would have been retrieved prior to the whole incident if possible by me.
if i could not or did not in time i believe you handled it appropriately.
also i would not have taken offense to a nicely stated comment to the effect either as i would have been sternly scolding him for his actions anyway.
it does make ya think though but i would not alter my method of carrying over it.
 

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I probably would have said something to the dad out of earshot of the kid, without choice words.
 

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Not sure

I would guess that maybe he was in the 7-10 age. I thought it was odd too, but I see a lot of parent lately that do nothing when kids act out of line in public.
 

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after the first time i would have smacked the little monster's hand , and dad's too if he had any comment
 

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Believe me

I wanted to put a belt on that little... like my dad would have given me, but did not want to get arrested yeterday for beating someone elses child and his daddy.
 

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Even in Florida, Brandishing requires "Intent". The child's actions, although clearly inappropriate, would not have resulted in a brandishing charge. If you, however, raised your shirt, displaying the weapon, looked at the dad, and said, "Want me to part that kid's beak?"....THAT would have been brandishing! (humor......Hello....)
 

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7 to 10 years old???
I might understand a 3 - 5 year old being like that, but I wonder if at 7 - 10 years of age, this could possibly be one of those pick pocket teams I have heard of.
Might be the father, might be the "employer."
Know what I mean?
It just seams out of place for a child that age being so with strangers unless we are talking about a child with a mental handycap.

I might have yelled "Get away from me!"
If it was a pick pocket team, they'd have left for sure.
 

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I think you showed restraint. I might have walked the kid over to his parent(s) after the first time and mentioned the inappropriate behavior.

I know what I'd have done if one of my kids had ever done something like that. :slap:
 

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I think it was handled fine, but I probably would've walked away instead of pushed the kid, even though you pushed him gently and he deserved it. It seems like the laws are designed in such a way that even the gentlest of pushes turns into assaulting a minor, and handling anyone else's kid can be very tricky. The dad and the kid could've cooked up any story they wanted about the mean man who shoved an innocent kid who bumped into him. :rolleyes:

The pathetic part is the parent neglected to stop the kid and then seemed to try to stare you down as if to say, "don't tell my kid what to do." I think your return gaze made him have second thoughts on that.

I really despise parents who let their rugrats run amok and then get upset at you for correcting them. :scruntiny:

There's been plenty of kids (and parents) I've encountered I wanted to spank the snot out of. :mad:
 

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Taser.

Just kidding.

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Thanks

I really did need a little reassurance because I do not know how to handle childeren that well. I did think about the pick pocket thing after the fact and that is a very valid theory.
 

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I don't want to insult anyone's upbringing, but after I became an adult I realized that my mother and teachers had been wrong when they taught me not to say anything unless it was nice. There are many times the nicest thing you can say to someone is a correction, but because we were taught to only say nice things we fail to recognize this. When teaching us to only say nice things they defined nice things as nice words which gave us the impression that words of chastening or correction are not nice things. As an adult I learned that the truth sometimes hurts and doesn't sound nice, never the less it is the truth. I also learned that if I listened to this truth spoken to me and applied it to myself then though it may have hurt at the time it was a very nice thing someone had said to me. Do not shy away from speaking to someone just because the words may not be nice. Say them in a manner that is not demeaning and leave the results up to the person spoken to. Some people will take offense at a compliment. That is their problem not yours.
 

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Your actions were appropriate under the circumstances. Many parents are under the impression that it is their duty to let their little monsters do and act as the child pleases. Its a sad comment on parenting when the child is in charge of the parent.
 

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kseo7s,

Don't want to be the bad guy here, but it's like Betty said..... only more:

Any 'hands on' contact with another person's child could land you in pretty hot water. While you were entirely correct in trying to keep your weapon concealed, if the parent saw you touch their child and they were the type to take offense real easily, the law could have been involved real quick. Depending on what kind of crap the parent told the law, you're carrying a weapon while that parent is claiming that you 'assaulted' their child, could actually heighten the charges filed against you.

It's a tricky situation at best, multiplied because of the weird people out there who like confrontation, who know how to work the system, and might look upon your touching their child as a 'meal ticket', ie: civil law suit, etc. Remember that people can claim all they want, it is up to you to prove your own innocence and intent.

Best thing might have been to immediately turn and walk away. Kinda like the same thing we as concealed handgun carriers are supposed to do in a real situation, try every other means available to us first.
 

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I think that if the parental unit in question claimed you assaulted (legal term battered) their child, the proper response legally would be that the child was reaching for your loaded gun, and had not responded to verbal commands to stop. Cops, DA's and judges all have better things to do with their time.
 

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Matt..... TASER????? Heck, here in Las Vegas last week, Metro used 3 Tasers on a guy all at once!!! Letsee.... 50,000 volts X 3= 150,000 volts... Hmmmm, no wonder the guy died!!

Back to the subject. Yep, you gotta be soft handed working in and around kids. Dunno how the teachers these days do it, as no Corporal Punishment, like when I was getting wailed on with a 1x6 board, or by a Peach Switch by my Granny!!! No, nowadays, it is "TIMEOUTS".. What a farce..

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Count your blessings

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I think you showed restraint. I might have walked the kid over to his parent(s) after the first time and mentioned the inappropriate behavior.

I know what I'd have done if one of my kids had ever done something like that. :slap:
Count your blessings. In England, if you grabbed the kid and marched him over to his parent, you could have been sued for using disproportionate force against a minor.
 

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Your actions were appropriate under the circumstances. Many parents are under the impression that it is their duty to let their little monsters do and act as the child pleases. Its a sad comment on parenting when the child is in charge of the parent.
Annecdote #1.

In 1956 I was walking with my Grandfather in Berlin and he got momentarily lost. He asked two 15-year old kids--street toughs by the looks of their dress--where to go. They made a smart-ass remark. My grandfather grabbed one of them by the shirt collar and smacked his face twice. The kid winced, dropped his head, apologized profusely, and meekly gave the correct directions.

Annecdote #2.

In 1978 in Cambrdige (MA), on a Bring-the-kiddies-in day, my boss brought in his little monster and introduced me to him. When the little buggar started to rampage through my files, I said: "Hey, caught that out."

"Oh, no Tom, we never say no to him," this paragon of mangement told me, only partly apologetically, and dragged the brat out.

An hour or so later, I was walking by my bosses' office and spotted the little ghoul sitting pretty in his dad's office chair.

"NO!" I shouted at him and fled the scene to instant crying and wailing.
 
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