I am picking up a ruger sr9c this week and am wondering what would be a good defensive round out of the the short 3.5" barrel. I'd prefer to stay away from the really hot rounds I'd much rather hit my target than make a bunch of noise and miss, any good suggestions and why. p.s. I know this question is comming so I'll answer it now I didn't get the glock 26 because I just don't care for glocks, sorry.
what's best 9mm short barrel ammo.
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Outside of the DPX most 115gr 9mm struggle to reliably penetrate 12". The heavier 124 or 147gr bullets are a better choice.
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No, the weight gives you much more momentum. "stopping power" will be fought over on this forum forever, but 1 well placed 45 is better than 1 well placed 9mm even though the 9mm is much faster usually. Just my opinion.
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Muzzle energy is not useful for measuring terminal performance. Anyone that tells you otherwise is misinformed.
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I never shot short barreled ammo. In my Kahr P9, and PM9, I shoot 9mm +p, or +p+ 115gr JHP, Speer, Federal, or Doubletap and the flash and blast are very manageable, in daylight or darkness.
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I bet that's a typo and he means Winchester PDX1.
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*EDIT - Every time I reply to something, someone beats me to it!
I'm guessing he means Winchester's Bonded PDX1. It's a civilian available line and is set to replace the SXT line from my understanding (but that's just what i heard, nothing to back that up). It lacks the talons of the Ranger T-Series line. I'd stick with Ranger T-Series or HST in any caliber and any weight. For 9mm, I like 147 grain and understand (stated by Dr. Roberts if I remember correctly) it's the best choice for the 3.5 or 4" barrel. 124 is a fine choice as well, but 147 loses less velocity on impact where higher velocity, lighter rounds lose more on impact, part of the reason for the higher (and misunderstood) muzzle energy.
I'm guessing he means Winchester's Bonded PDX1. It's a civilian available line and is set to replace the SXT line from my understanding (but that's just what i heard, nothing to back that up). It lacks the talons of the Ranger T-Series line. I'd stick with Ranger T-Series or HST in any caliber and any weight. For 9mm, I like 147 grain and understand (stated by Dr. Roberts if I remember correctly) it's the best choice for the 3.5 or 4" barrel. 124 is a fine choice as well, but 147 loses less velocity on impact where higher velocity, lighter rounds lose more on impact, part of the reason for the higher (and misunderstood) muzzle energy.
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Which is better...... a Ford or a Chevy ? It's the same type of question. Pick the ammo you like and think will do the job. The shorter barrel will have the biggest difference at some real distance, and very little in shorter distances you'ld have in a SD situation, and it will likely not be one where you could tell the difference. Accuracy ... is more important.
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Accuracy/shot placement is more important, but ammo is very important as well. I like my car (Mercedes) and would take it in most colors available, but chose silver because I could (my wife's Jag is white). Which one of those is better? Any edge is an edge and if it's available to you, take advantage of it.
We each have our opinion, but she chose a Jag anyway, go figure!
We each have our opinion, but she chose a Jag anyway, go figure!
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Ranger-T bonded and PDX1 are the same.
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True, I have found that Speer Gold Dot 115 grain standard pressure hollowpoints work well in my Kahr CW9. The recoil is mild compared to the micro .380s like the Kel Tec P3AT and the Ruger LCP both of which I have owned at one time or another, and yet the Speer load is powerful enough to get the job done if you do your part in accurately placing them in the BG.:22a:
I'll go along with that. The Win PDX is getting a good reputation.
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I don't think they're the same, I think it would be closer to Ranger SXT bonded (if there is one), not T-Series. Since Ranger T is LEO and SXT and PDX1 is civilian. Either way, go for Ranger T-Series. 50 round boxes compared to PDX1 20 round boxes for a premium. Ranger T-Series is a step above SXT and Winchester says PDX1 is similar to SXT and is it's replacement. Ranger T-Series and Ranger SXT are two different things in very similar packaging.
*EDIT - Just to clarify, I am in the "use what runs reliably and you shoot best" camp, but it's also good to know which is the best of the best out there and if the top few rounds run as good as anything else, then I'd strongly suggest picking the ammo with the best performance.
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Gold Dot Personal Protection - 9mm Luger
Part Number Cartridge
Bullet Wt. Bullet Type Box Count Bullet Coefficient
23619 9mm Luger 147 GDHP 20 0.164
Velocity(in feet per second) Energy (in foot pounds)
Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards
Velocity985 50y 932 100y 887 Energymuzzle317 50y 284 100y 257
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Gold Dot Personal Protection - 9mm Luger
Part Number Cartridge
Bullet Wt. Bullet Type Box Count Bullet Coefficient
23618 9mm Luger 124 GDHP 20 0.134
Velocity(in feet per second) Energy (in foot pounds)
Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards
1150 50y 1039 100y 963 Energy muzzle364 50y 297 100y 255
Clearly the 124 is a LITTLE better than 147 at energy at 50 and 100 yards. Yes it does matter, but, will it matter at 10 - 25 yards.? probably not.
Shoot what works in your pistol and has been proven to reliably expand
Site used for above info;
http://www.speer-ammo.com/ballistics/ammo.aspx
Part Number Cartridge
Bullet Wt. Bullet Type Box Count Bullet Coefficient
23619 9mm Luger 147 GDHP 20 0.164
Velocity(in feet per second) Energy (in foot pounds)
Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards
Velocity985 50y 932 100y 887 Energymuzzle317 50y 284 100y 257
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Gold Dot Personal Protection - 9mm Luger
Part Number Cartridge
Bullet Wt. Bullet Type Box Count Bullet Coefficient
23618 9mm Luger 124 GDHP 20 0.134
Velocity(in feet per second) Energy (in foot pounds)
Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards
1150 50y 1039 100y 963 Energy muzzle364 50y 297 100y 255
Clearly the 124 is a LITTLE better than 147 at energy at 50 and 100 yards. Yes it does matter, but, will it matter at 10 - 25 yards.? probably not.
Shoot what works in your pistol and has been proven to reliably expand
Site used for above info;
http://www.speer-ammo.com/ballistics/ammo.aspx
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