[Trader]

Just as a matter of curiosity, what's involved in obtaining a permit to own a full auto such as am AR-15. Can this permit be obtained by an average person oe does one need to be an LEO, dealer or collector? :27:

 

[acparmed]

Trader -- You don't say in your profile where you live, here in Nevada all that is required for full-auto or suppressed weapons is a $200 tax stamp and fill out the proper applications. No special license is required. Any citizen may possess any fully automatic or suppressed firearm.

 

[ccm-tim]

The only challenge that you man run into is getting a local LEO chief to sign the form 4 (that is the ATF form that must be filled out to get the $200 tax stamp). I think it has to be your local police chief or county sheriff. The other thing that is a bummer is the loooonnnnggg wait.

 

[Captain Crunch]

And don't forget your name's new permanent home in the BATF database.

 

[rocky]

Isn't this for C&R only? I didn't think civies could own modern FA weapons.

 

[acparmed]

Yes, they can in some states

 

[armoredman]

National Firearms Act of 1934 set out the procedure for aquiring the transfer tax stamp from BATFE, a $200 expenditure, and forms up the wazoo, including from the Chief law Enforcement officer in your area, ie, sherriff. The wait is long, and the prices high, as the Machine Gun Ban of 1989 halted all civilian manufacture of transferrabl full auto. The older ones are all that is available, and prices go higher each day.
NFA also applies to Short Barrelled, ie <16" for rifles, or <18 inches for shotguns, and Destructive Devices, such as mortars, tank guns, and ammunition for such. All legal to aquire, IF you could find something you could afford.
There is a C&R NFA list, those that are C&R eligible but still require the BATFE tax stamp, such as the 25mm French Automatic cannon, and the German Pak40 75mm anti tank gun.....I want one.....don't have a CLUE what the heck I would do with it, but I wiant one.....

 

[LenS]

In MA you need a special machine gun license in addition to the Fed paperwork/tax. The MA license cost $100/4 years (might be 6 now, not sure).

BUT there are only two classes of people who legally qualify to get the license:
- Certified police instructors, or
- Collectors (C&R FFL qualifies)

And the license is strictly discretionary. Many chiefs of police will refuse to issue these licenses.

Mass Law prohibits ownership/possession of silencers.

 

[armoredman]

I apologise, I forgot certain states further illegally restrict the access to NFA firearms....I live in AZ, which doesn't care one way or another, ias long as it's legal with the Feds. You can even carry your NFA firearms concealed with your AZ permit...res or non res, no difference...

 

[LenS]

I apologise, I forgot certain states further illegally restrict the access to NFA firearms....I live in AZ, which doesn't care one way or another, ias long as it's legal with the Feds. You can even carry your NFA firearms concealed with your AZ permit...res or non res, no difference...

No apology necessary!

That's the value of these type questions and forums!

Each state has it's own laws and then they still do what they want regardless of the Law.

BTW, in MA no long arms can be carried on a public way unless cased or loaded in a vehicle (high-capacity long arms must be in a locked case) and NFA firearms can NOT be "carried" only exhibited or used at a range (otherwise cased and locked).

Basic rule of thumb in MA: If the MA Laws doesn't specifically allow something, it's illegal!

Another MA rule of thumb: If a MA Law requires a government official/agency to do something and they don't do it or don't due it within the time alloted in the law, there is no legal recourse to the aggrieved party. No penalties are incurred by the government official/agency for not doing their job!

 

[Scott]

In Virginia just do the federal paperwork get the CLEO signature and get your FA. The tough part is finding somewhere to shoot it. Many ranges including my club do not allow FA firing. Its a noise issue and "good neighbor policy". I do know that in areas where the CLEOs aren't inclined to sign off people form corporations and the FAs are held by the corporation. This circumvents the CLEO signature as it is not required for a corporation.

-Scott-

 

[1Zach1]

You can't own a new Full-Auto weapon, it must be registered pre '86, but what you can do is buy a Drop in full auto Sear (must be registered, $200 Tax stamp, paperwork, month of waiting) and put that in your AR-15, they run around 10Grand, and up.
You must transfer everything through a Class III FFL, who you should talk to before you set off to find all this stuff, because they might help you with paper work or finding a deal.

Full Auto is damn fun, but expesive, not just getting the weapon, but keeping it fed. And like Scott said, finding a place to shoot might be hard.

 

[armoredman]

Was it 86? I keep thinking it was 89...oops.

 

[1Zach1]

Was it 86? I keep thinking it was 89...oops.

The 89 one banned the importation of non sporting rifles

 

[APachon]

there are only 2 agents processing all the BATF class III applications for the entire US and if it is your first class III acquistion and the local constabulary signs off, it will take about a year right now to get your weapon. If you have already gone through the hoop for your class III, the next and each and every subsequent Class III is quicker.

 

[Trader]

Great information guys. Thanks

 

[1Zach1]

there are only 2 agents processing all the BATF class III applications for the entire US and if it is your first class III acquistion and the local constabulary signs off, it will take about a year right now to get your weapon. If you have already gone through the hoop for your class III, the next and each and every subsequent Class III is quicker.

Is it really? Last I heard it was 3-6 months.

 

[revlar]

In Missouri you must have at least a C&R - but for ten bucks a year, what the heck.

As stated above - the license fee, tax stamp and cost of the firearm are only the beginning of the expense. Feeding the beast is not cheap.

 

[CLASS3NH]

Trader?
If you're in Florida....you can own em, along with supressors..and such.. There are a lot of states that you may own NFA weapons. Some require you to get a special License as in Ma "license to Possess a MachineGun" I'm "grandfathered in" if I ever move back to Ma <but can't find a reason why> If you've been a "good boy" you'll get a signature from your Cheif, or local LEO on your Form 4. Once you have that, you'll need two sets of finger print cards done, two recent photos of yourself. and 200.00 for the Tax stamp. When you have all that <and you'll already have paid upwards of 5K to 20K for your "Advanced Weapon" <as you state that you're an "advanced weapons collector" on your Form 4> you'll then bring all this back to the dealer, and they will send it all out for you. It will probably take between 6 to 12 months to get the gun in your hands. <I had a MK760 SMG transfered to me within 13 days when I was a Massachusetts Resident> It's like Dunkin Donuts......worth the trip..good luck from another "Rock-N-Roll" fan

 

[KarlPMann]

Yup, Floridians can certainly own them, and outside of Metro Dade area, your Sheriff will most likely sign. Read this... http://www.uzi-world.net/forums/showthread.php?t=185 Karl.