I would say when the electricity stops flowing for more than a few days. As was pointed out earlier, everything is dependent on this energy source. Got water flowing from your faucet? Electricity powered the pump to pull it out of the ground, treat it, then get it to flow through the pipes. Got fuel in your vehicle or necessities on the store shelves? Again this commodity powers the pumps and cash registers. My grandparents could've weathered a long-term power outage on their farm, as they had grown up with a fireplace, no A/C, had a well on the property (man, that was some of the coldest, sweetest water I've ever had) and even the pump for the fuel tank was hand cranked. Not to many lifetime city dwellers have the basics on hand for more than a couple of days. Now, if that power failure is very localized, it can be handled and societal breakdown will take much longer to happen. Let it be regional and even state governments will be very hard pressed to keep order. On a national scale, for more than just a very few days, it will be Katy-bar-the-door.
I work on the supply side of the grocery industry, and to be honest I think we're through the worst part of the irrational panic buying that threw things sideways for a couple of weeks. Basically, it was about the same as a snow scare, only it didn't stop after a few days. Washington State is now officially "locked down," but that really only applies to "non essential" businesses. All of the people that keep the lights on, keep the gas stations open, and keep the supermarkets stocked are still working. If it's something you need in order to survive, it's still going to be there.
When the fiat money scam stops working. The economic problem right now is not insurmountable. We have a businessman running the country. He knows what to do. American people, small businesses and corporations are about to be showered with money. This will keep the people from struggling too much but more importantly, all that money to the business world will have this economy roaring back rapidly.
Of course this all depends on the ability of the Fed to keep printing. If fiat fails, or even seriously totters, that's it. We collapse.
We're not facing TEOTWAWKI, but if large numbers of young men are told to stay at home and not work for months we'll likely see issues from large numbers of bored young men finding ways to occupy their time.
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If the cell service fails, things will get ugly fast. I've seen how angry people around here got when we had a power transformer get hit, and due to how it was hit (car that hit it acted as wire to short out some safety equipment) caused a massive power surge. Freak accident that took out a huge part of the power grid for this city. What was funny (and sad), was the lack of cell service caused people to act irrationally. Either they became more irritated, or had a panic attack.
The lack of other conveniences didn't seem to affect people. Not to the same degree at any rate.
I think the answer would ultimately depend on who the fatalities are. Those most at risk are those theoretically least involved in the supply chain. They are predominantly on the demand side as opposed to the supply side. So while there will tragically be lives lost on both sides it would appear that the "demand side" will suffer greater losses than the "supply side." The decrease in demand will somewhat mitigate the shortages caused by the shut down/slow down.
Longer term financial impacts will be complicated as well. As the elderly are particularly vulnerable it seems, we should expect a decrease in social security payments in the aftermath of the pandemic. Also, unfunded pension liabilities will decrease as eligible recipients are lost to the virus. While these situations would, for lack of a better word, benefit younger members of the population (delayed Social Security insolvency date etc) the massive debt and inflation caused by the stimulus package can not be ignored.
I don't think we will see an overall collapse of society but I would not be surprised to see local break downs in some of the more densely populated areas. People are already fleeing N.Y.C. to the point that other states are demanding they self isolate for fourteen days (Florida) and are getting stopped by police in other jurisdictions for violating shelter in place orders.
I think one of the keys is going to be how they handle outbreaks inside correctional facilities. They are already reducing inmate populations to try to allow more distance between prisoners. But once a carrier gets into a facility and spends a week spreading the virus before exhibiting symptoms, it is going to get ugly pretty quickly. Once the correctional officers start getting sick or calling in sick to avoid contracting the virus from the prisoners it will be the decision point. On one extreme they open the doors and let everyone out. On the other they keep them in lock down until the outbreak burns itself out in the facility. I expect the response will be somewhere in between.
If they develop an effective vaccine and get it distributed within the year we could be back to normal in five years or so. If they don't get a handle on it, it may establish a new normal.
YES, this IS happening in the Vegas area. North Vegas "Indian Country" as my Brother calls it, (He lives in Henderson) will be the first to go downhill real quick. He lives on the other side of Nellis AFB, near the foothill area, and has a good view of the complete region. He's on a Plateau area, and has full view of the lower levels, plus a long road leading to his Home. Should the Food, Gas, Money crisis continue, and get out of control, he's prepared to hunker down. The heat will be coming to that area, which will also bring the Crazies out in full force, should hard times begin out there.
Seeing that LA is in "Lockdown" means only one thing. People WILL become restless and desperate at some point in time, which will lead to Crime.
Most of you can remember the Rodney King Riots in LA in 1992... With this current setting, I believe it will be 10x worse.
@mcp1810 the people, and locations, that are releasing prisoners are doing so because that's their goal, not because they care about lives. The prisoners are people that vote a certain way, and tend to help push for forward the agenda of that group.
Think about this for one second, what group of people has the LEAST amount of exposure overall? Prisoners are it. Releasing them is wrong for many reasons.
Hey guys, are there any laws for (or against) bringing my guns while traveling from Texas to Seattle? Should I field strip and store in locked rifle cases in the back of the suv?
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This does not bode well for the future. If this is the mentality of most of the members of Black Lives Matter, things are going to be ugly for a long time.
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Short version (including racial descriptions because this is now "white woman...
My living quarters are not easily defended. It is a complex of three buildings. It would take a minimum of eight people to defend it, four with long guns and four on reloading detail, should all hell break loose here with riots. In trying to get mom out, it would be very difficult to get all my...
Standing outside the front door with a handgun and an AR. The BLM'ers were on private property.
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