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Releasing people who are basically 0% likely to follow quarantine procedures is the real concern. They aren't likely to be people who will make good choices now that they are back out amongst the regular folks.
 

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While prisoners have very limited contact with the outside, staff and visitors don't. All it takes is one family member on visiting day, or one correctional officer or contractor to introduce the virus to the facility. How many medical isolation beds does your county jail have? Unless you have the place completely locked down with no one leaving their cells what you have is a giant incubator. Now that you it spreading among the prisoners how are you going to protect the corrections officers and their families? Do you lock the C.O.s in with the prisoners to keep them from spreading it to their families and the community?
Based on that concept, they should open the gates on maximum security and let them out. There have been several correction officers here exposed and quarantined. It did not affect the jails.
 

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@NelsonHolsters it sounds like you have a drug house problem. Good luck dealing with the situation. My parents had that situation with a place not too far from there home. It only ended when the people in the home were sent away and the house sold at auction. May you have a quick and safe resolution to the situation.
 

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Based on that concept, they should open the gates on maximum security and let them out. There have been several correction officers here exposed and quarantined. It did not affect the jails.
Maximum security facilities where you have individual cells or two to cell is much more manageable than a low security facility where the prisoners sleep in basically a platoon bay with up to fifty in one room.

And in today's news the Harris County Jail announced they have one prisoner confirmed positive and thirty showing symptoms.
 

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Maximum security facilities where you have individual cells or two to cell is much more manageable than a low security facility where the prisoners sleep in basically a platoon bay with up to fifty in one room.

And in today's news the Harris County Jail announced they have one prisoner confirmed positive and thirty showing symptoms.
Our two largest prisons in Marion county house 5,500 minimum and medium-security state inmates, mostly in overcrowded dorms and pods. Think ninety to one hundred in a room designed for forty, with space for about half to stand and move around while the other half are on their bunks. The first staff member to test positive for the virus was reported today.
 

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Mike1956, I can't "like" your post. I hope you are a sufficient distance away from either one of those facilities. I saw where New York released a group of rapists yesterday.
 

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Maximum security facilities where you have individual cells or two to cell is much more manageable than a low security facility where the prisoners sleep in basically a platoon bay with up to fifty in one room.

And in today's news the Harris County Jail announced they have one prisoner confirmed positive and thirty showing symptoms.
By all means, release them!
 

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Mike1956, I can't "like" your post. I hope you are a sufficient distance away from either one of those facilities. I saw where New York released a group of rapists yesterday.
I'm not worried about release nearly as much as contagion. The prison system is one of the county's largest employers. These men and women are going in and out of the Petri dish every day.
 

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By all means, release them!
While they are incarcerated their medical care is the responsibility of the tax payers. And if they can't be properly treated in the lock up the prison/jail under law has to transport them (under guard) to an appropriate local medical facility and guard them there as long as is necessary for their treatment.
Those that have been released are on their own.
 

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@NelsonHolsters it sounds like you have a drug house problem. Good luck dealing with the situation. My parents had that situation with a place not too far from there home. It only ended when the people in the home were sent away and the house sold at auction. May you have a quick and safe resolution to the situation.
Yes I believe that is what it is but with me having alot of leo customers and them seeing first hand I feel confident it wont go on a long time. cant really say more on that subject right now as this is a public forum. It is concerning right now with all thats going on and things like this drug house are taking a back seat for the time being and I fully understand why. I think I have the shop and home covered with cameras and alarms but will just have to see.
 

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When does society begin to break down?I think it has begun. Just look at how some states are turning out-of-staters away at their borders.
 
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I would keep a close eye on the elections. Will the Democrats prevail, with the help of further election fraud, and steer us further into Socialism... Several posts refer to Civil War, but it’s actually not that preposterous. And if you look at it, a Pandemic is the most effective vehicle to drive support for Socialism; millions upon millions being forced to their knees, at the feet of the government. Our country is already at odds over socialist ideals, so I feel the tipping point is how the liberal half of the nation responds to the coming elections; will they push further destroy our Constitution, if they gain power at the heels of an economic downfall; will they rage and revolt, as petulant adolescents, if they don’t get their way.
 

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For a little perspective, try looking around Reddit... There is no shortage of those who are condemning conservatives as the cause of the Pandemic, decrying an immediate need for stronger gun controls, and promoting across the board vote by mail initiatives. Make no mistake, this Pandemic is a massive vehicle. And regardless of its origin, it's being driven madly by socialists to force their agenda.
In short, i think many are looking at some major trigger point, like infrastructure collapses, which may not come for years. And even then, may not even be the true trigger point; the real trigger point could be coming from somewhere/something that no one is expecting.
 

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I am hoping we can keep this a serious discussion about what to expect, if we can anticipate anything. I've certainly read enough books about EMPs, the Enemies Foreign and Domestic series, World Made by Hand, etc. However, I've never lived through anything like the extended issues that took place in the wake of hurricane Katrina.

Obviously, if we lose power, water, or communications, things are going to be very bad. That all seems unlikely. And if they manage to pass the stimulus bill, things will probably be okay. Our stores still have food on the shelves (not everything), but many items are available, even if the stores are limiting quantities.

My wife and I have been gaming out "what if" scenarios. We live in a small community with many people not making much money. Our county deputies make less than $16.00 per hour. How long will a person with no job and no savings who is unable to feed their children go before they become desperate enough to steal from a market, hold someone up in a parking lot, or break into a home to obtain food or things to sell?

What do you guys and gals think? If you lived through Katrina or something similar I would be especially interested in hearing your perspective.

Note: Perhaps I was not explicit enough when I posted this last night? My question is, "When does society begin to break down?" What do you think will be the trigger points? We've seen it before under different circumstances. I apologize if there is any confusion in anyone's mind about what this thread is supposed to be about.
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Society brakes down when two things occur. #1 When people can not get what is critically important to them. This could be something basic like food or something more complicated like power or control. #2 When those people loose the fear of reprisal for taking what they want peaceful society falls apart.
This showed up in New Orleans for the storm. But its basically the same thing showing up in any given inner city. For that matter it shows up in Washington, its just that the criminals are wearing a suit there.

Of course there is a biblical (Romans 1:28) answer to your question but this isn't the proper place for that discussion.
 

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When does society begin to break down?I think it has begun. Just look at how some states are turning out-of-staters away at their borders.
The FL Governor stated to day that he had to act after the number of daily flights from NYC jumped from 25-30 to 150+. Yeah, the rats are deserting the sinking ship. Action needed.
 
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