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This happened earlier this week here in Spokane, WA
This happened at my bank a mile from my office:

FBI releases bank robbery surveillance video - KHQ Right Now - News and Weather for Spokane and North Idaho |

For the most part I've decided that I'll act to protect myself, family, friends, and others when I know the situation. However, I read either here or in a magazine that you have to decide at what point you will not let the BG get to. I agree that I will not let a BG take me to another room (backroom) or tie me up, or make me get on my knees or lay down. If it's just money or property they are after I don't think I'd act because those material things can be replaced and don't impact me and aren't worth me wasting my time in court for the slimebag. But I do know if I was at this place at this time he would not have made me/us move or tie us up. Seeing the quick ways these
things go on some survellance videos I would have drawn, yelled a command then triple tap. Your comments?
 

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Seeing the quick ways these
things go on some survellance videos I would have drawn, yelled a command then triple tap. Your comments?
So, if I understand you correctly.

You are saying that if you yelled at the criminal actor to stop, and he did. You would then shoot him three times?

What would you do if he didn't stop, shoot him four times? If everyone followed this plan we would all be looking at Manslaughter at a minimum. I may or may not issue a challenge. That depends on the situation and what is happening, and how sufficient my cover is.

It's good to think through possible scenarios, and have some sort of plan, but remember, "No plan survives first contact with the enemy." In short, things are fluid and changing, and you have to be willing to adapt quickly.

Please don't get "cemented" into thinking there is only one way to solve the problem. As my Daddy told me a long time ago, "Son, there's more than one way to go around the Barn. Pick the way that works for you, as long as you get where you want to be."

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Hopefully, I wouldn't have to do anything except watch the BG walk out of the bank with his loot, and later tell the police about everything I witnessed.
Now once the BG started herding people to back rooms, my definition of innocent bystander may change...not sure...would have to be there...but if action were needed, there would be no warnings...:rolleyes::brutal7:
 

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To quote the great sage Tuco....

"When it is time to shoot....SHOOT.......Don't talk"
 

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In SC, you may only shoot if you feel "in imminent danger of loss of life or severe bodily injury." You may NOT shoot to protect property. You may NOT shoot to protect someone else, except under the "third party defense" clause in most state's handgun laws. Watch that one, it can get you in deep ca-ca real quick if you pick the wrong guy to shoot. You carry a handgun to protect yourself and your family. You're not a LEO or a vigilante. You're not out on the street to stop crime in general.

Don't get locked into a set way of dealing with a situation. BikerRN told you right, "No plan survives the first contact with the enemy." F350 told it straight, too. If you seriously feel your life is threatened, why stop and talk about it? While you're issuing "commands", the BG is dropping the hammer on you. A violent encounter is seldom a polite one. What you see on TV, when the BG and GG engage in a genteel tete-a-tete before lead flies, just doesn't happen in real life. That's supposed to be the advantage of concealed carry - surprise. Pull the trigger.

Triple tap, huh? Is that the "2 to the COM then 1 to the head" method? We shoot to stop. That's shooting to kill. It'll get you up for Murder 2 real fast. And what if he collapses in a quivering blob at your presentation - will you still shoot? Will you hold him at gunpoint until the real LEOs arrive? What if he runs out of the bank? Will you follow and gun him down - from the back, maybe?

The bottom line in any situation is, do you feel in danger of losing your life?
 

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I'm Not shouting anything,If I'm in fear for my life As soon as I see an opportunity that will not endanger any others,I will draw and stop the threat,tying me up or herding me into another room makes me think execution.
 

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Hopefully, I wouldn't have to do anything except watch the BG walk out of the bank with his loot, and later tell the police about everything I witnessed.
Now once the BG started herding people to back rooms, my definition of innocent bystander may change...not sure...would have to be there...but if action were needed, there would be no warnings...:rolleyes::brutal7:
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Nothing else to say, really.

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Yelling a command, only makes you the target. If you have justification and legal standing to shoot, then shoot.
 

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If the situation has gone so wrong that I feel my life or my loved ones lives are in danger, there would be no warning to the bad guy. Otherwise, as said before, I'll try to be a good witness.
 

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Hopefully, I wouldn't have to do anything except watch the BG walk out of the bank with his loot, and later tell the police about everything I witnessed.
Now once the BG started herding people to back rooms, my definition of innocent bystander may change...not sure...would have to be there...but if action were needed, there would be no warnings...:rolleyes::brutal7:
Yep, that about sums up my take on the correct response. :hand10:
 

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I agree with retsupt99.
Be a good witness first-If in danger of my life(herding in rooms, ect.) act with no warnings.
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If it becomes a situation where you have to shoot, then do what you have to do. Don't give the BG the chance to seek cover by yelling out commands first. Stop the threat and then deal with what ever comes down the road.
 

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Nope, not going to be yelling any commands. If the BG is in the middle of a bank robbery, or in my case credit union 90% of the time, and it gets to the point where it is warranted, he just gets the lead.

I know most of the folks that work at the branch we use pretty well. Some I have known for over 15 years. I would not be standing or sitting around while they were herded up, or taped together over a bomb or any of that nonsense.
 

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Yep, once something like that goes down, we ain't talkin', we are shootin & killin.....
 

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If a bad guy walks into a bank pulls a gun and starts issueing orders, I'm going to shoot. He has made the threat (pulling the gun) and I now am in fear for my life. I'm not trying to defend the bank's money or property just myself.

The idea of being a "good witness" while a noble idea could get me killed. I don't want to be lying in a pool of blood with my ccw in it's holster.

I don't want to sound like a wannbe LEO or mall ninga, I just want to be able to go home that night.
 

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Guys STOP!

Remember our guns are our very last option. Not our first.

I'm not a bank robber,but I would think the robber(s) want to get in and out as quickly as possible. The money is the prize not the people in the bank.

Most bank robberies involve handing the teller a note, not brandishing a gun.

But, having said that. If someone starts shooting people in a bank, of corse do what you have to do.
 

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Guys STOP!

Remember our guns are our very last option. Not our first.

I'm not a bank robber,but I would think the robber(s) want to get in and out as quickly as possible. The money is the prize not the people in the bank.

Most bank robberies involve handing the teller a note, not brandishing a gun.

But, having said that. If someone starts shooting people in a bank, of corse do what you have to do.
Sorry, I'm not waiting for the shooting to start. Threat has been made, clear shot, I'm taking it. I realize that this can be "what if'ed "to death, but under this set of circumstances I'm taking the shot.
 

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So, if I understand you correctly.

You are saying that if you yelled at the criminal actor to stop, and he did. You would then shoot him three times?

What would you do if he didn't stop, shoot him four times? If everyone followed this plan we would all be looking at Manslaughter at a minimum. I may or may not issue a challenge. That depends on the situation and what is happening, and how sufficient my cover is.

It's good to think through possible scenarios, and have some sort of plan, but remember, "No plan survives first contact with the enemy." In short, things are fluid and changing, and you have to be willing to adapt quickly.

Please don't get "cemented" into thinking there is only one way to solve the problem. As my Daddy told me a long time ago, "Son, there's more than one way to go around the Barn. Pick the way that works for you, as long as you get where you want to be."

Biker
I think you are spot on. We can only train for that which is familiar, since there's no way to consider every mutation of every situation. I depend upon my training and my instincts and my gut, and will react accordingly. Instinct dictates that self survival and survival of the the family are the two top primal priorities.
 

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I would have to be there. I agree with resupt99, no warning. That's why we carry concealed, element of surprise. I could see yelling something as a distraction, depending on the situation.
 
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