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Young gun owners do not have to think about the guns that they own or buy in terms of if they will be able to shoot it in the near future. Us old dudes do have to think about that. I learned that the hard way because I was a recoil junkie. Liked my .44 mags and 11 oz. .357 snub nose. However as I got older and my hands developed problems, the .44 mags had to go followed by metal and heavy 1911 .45's. I sold my Airlite .357 as even .38 +p was stout in it and got a 17 oz. Ruger .357 mag instead. Now I play a game of 'keep and don't keep' in my mind when I have nothing else to think about. :)

I review all the guns that I own and try to figure out which ones I can trade in the coming years and which I need to save for when I get older. For instance, I am not using my .22 mag. LCR much but it is a gun that will be useful in the future. Same with my .357 GP100. It is the only wheel gun I own with a hammer and some day I may need a gun that I can thumb the hammer back to shoot single action because I do not have the hand strength to shoot it double action. Then there are some semi autos that have slides so stiff that I know they will be a big problem in the future so they go on my "go" list.

Now when I want to buy a gun I think about whether it is a long term or short term gun. I have already shot my bucket list of guns so every gun I buy now has to have a role and lately that role must be both short and long term so I do not have to sell it later at a lost. The same could apply to others who are not senior citizens. You could have a medical condition for instance that will get worse in the near future. You may just have guns that you no longer feel the love for and would not miss them if they were sold or traded it. I think most of us have a 'stay' and 'go' list of guns. Here are mine based upon advancing age and medical condition:

Stay: Sig P238, Sig P928, Baby Desert Eagle, GP100, FNX-9, Ruger LCR .22 Mag.
Go: Micro Desert Eagle, XDS, .22 NAA mini revolver, HK P2000SK, Ruger LCR .357

Micro Desert Eagle has a heavy trigger. XDs is a small .45 and requires a very firm grip plus recoil starts taking its toll after a few magazines of shooting so I would not be able to practice much with it in the near future. NAA is hard enough for anyone to shoot with accuracy beyond belly distances and it will not get any better in the future. HK P2000SK is halfway between a Glock 26 and 19 in size. It is heavier than my other guns and thicker. Already hurts to carry it for prolonged periods due to a bad hip. Rather have the .22 mag LCR for my older age. With Speer Gold Dots it is comparable to a .380 and very light recoiling with a decent trigger.

This is my list as of today but it has and can change at any time. I once spent 7 months trying to decide what gun to get when I moved to Florida and got my ccw license. Every day I made a choice and every day that choice changed. Then I went picking two guns, then 3 because no one gun met all my needs. Long story short I ended up buying 8 carry guns when I got here. :) Do not own any of them anymore.
 

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The only thing that the onset of "geezerhood" has taught me is that they all need to stay. In years gone by too many have gone away only to be mourned later. Unless the acquisition is specifically acquired to turn for a profit it goes down the "black hole." In addition to most facets of shooting sports, hunting, and handloading, I enjoy collecting guns that interest me. The firearms that have piqued my interest never fail to continue to do so. So, I'll keep 'em. Firearms are entertaining and self-defense is only a small facet of my interest in the hobby.

Thankfully, there are very, very few currently produced firearms that "trip my trigger" so I can continue having fun seeking and playing with with the brands and models that appealed to me 30+ years ago, whether they were new or used at that time of my life.

Recoil hasn't become a physically debilitating issue yet at this point but I've never been a recoil junky. I still can manage recoil, have shot all manner of heavy recoiling firearms, and own some with a reputation for enthusiastic recoil but have never professed to enjoy being endlessly belted for entertainment.
 

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When I total up all the guns I have bought since coming into the handgun world just 2 1/2 yrs. ago, I can hardly believe all the ones I have bought/sold/traded or the $$$$$ I would now have if I had kept my list down to, say, five guns and let it go at that, But, no, I had the "other gun is better and I've got to have it " syndrome and, now, I have just two guns: Beretta PX4 Storm 9mm and a new SAR Arms SARK2P , 9mm. Both of these pistols are great shooting and, since SAR outfits the Turkish military, it should last as long as I want it to. Ah, there's the rub--- " as long as I want it to!" Among the sold guns was a nice P238 and a Beretta Tomcat: ONE of them might just find its way back into my small collection. But Old Dog has the right attitude: what do I really NEED now and what WILL I need down the road? Good/ safe shooting all.:smile:
 

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They come and go. But the only guns that have a permanent home are S&W k,and N frames, Colt 1911's, and of course the Glocks for their utility value.
 

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Ya, I'll keep em all now and let my family decide what stays and goes when I'm gone. I'm tempted all the time to trade one or sell one to fund the purchase of another, but I've already learned to just keep it and save up to add another to the family (as long as it functions well). But I'm just a young whipper snapper, what do I know :smile:.
 

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OP,

I hear ya. I'm 71, three time cancer survivor. Trust me on this, getting old isn't for wimps. I'm pretty lucky though - I have worked out for years, so I move well, weight (5'-8", 157 lbs this morning) is in the normal range, and I can still see. I did have cataract surgery a bit over a week ago. One down, one to go. I handle and dry fire two pistols 3 times a week as part of my weight workout. I figure if I keep doing it, I'll be able to do it longer than if I don't.

That said, I understand completely what you are saying about getting old and how it might change what you keep and what you sell.

I've been looking at handguns I can put optics on. I had a chance to shoot a gun with an RMR02 on it. It was a modified Glock 19 and that worked well even with out my glasses. I could see both the target and the red dot since they are at the same focal distance. Seeing the sights on the handgun is getting harder and harder. I have no rifles with iron sights any more. I know my Glocks can be modified for an RMR, my FNX45T is ready for it from the factory. I may end up limited to point shooting pocket guns for summer carry - so I practice that when I'm at the range.

You have a good grip on the problem. You are facing it, so am I. I think that's a big piece of the solution.

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I have guns now that I'm keeping for the "when I get older" scenario. I'm also keeping everything because you never know how the future of being able to buy things is going to shake out. I've sold a few over the years, and one or two of them I had regret over. So I don't sell anything anymore. I could get by just fine if I never had to buy anything again.
 

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Old_Dog, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I enjoy a window into other folks logic as they consider their wants and needs in this 'hobby'. My father got into pistols late in life when he was living on a boat full time (retired), and felt the need for greater self defense capabilities. Like all things in life he approached it with a passion, and we had lots of conversations just like your post. I am still in a phase where I spend most time on the bucket list that is on hold due to finances. My problem is that I cannot think of anything I want to trade or sell! Just Need More!
 

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I am also a seasoned senior citizen and a gun nut, I just hate to get rid of my firearms so I don't. I have collected them over many years and each is part of a special time in my life. So i figure, what the hell, I will let my boys have them when I am gone, they can keep what they want and save the rest for the grandsons.
 

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I enjoy your posts Old Dog.

I'm a revolver fan, but I am already aware that the triggers on small j-frames can be stout for some, and as I age that may be an issue for me. I have swapped out reduced power rebound springs in my smiths, which has reduced the trigger pull considerably.

For some reason I'm not a fan of sub-compact autoloaders. I have a Sig 229, a CZ 75D PCR, and a Browning Hi Power. The only one that may give me trouble in the future is the Hi Power, as it requires a stout pull to rack the slide. However, the Hi Power is not a self defense gun for me, so that's not really an issue.

I expect that I'll probably have a 640 or a model 60 at my side when I'm much older, and a 686 at home. I don't like carrying anything heavier that a steel j-frame.

As for all my other guns, they will all stay. I attach to some a sentimental value that is beyond what anyone in their right mind would pay me, or I have an interest in them as a "shooter's collection." Many of the guns I do not need to shoot to enjoy. Sometimes I take them out, look them over, wipe them down and put them back in the safe.

Eventually I'll part with them, and hopefully such departures will be in the form of gifts to either my daughters or their future husbands (not something I can envision right now, as I can't imagine any young man being worthy of either of my daughters - but that is neurosis that I will deal with later in my life).
 

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Ya, I'll keep em all now and let my family decide what stays and goes when I'm gone. I'm tempted all the time to trade one or sell one to fund the purchase of another, but I've already learned to just keep it and save up to add another to the family (as long as it functions well). But I'm just a young whipper snapper, what do I know :smile:.
This is how I look at it as well. I still regret selling the few guns I sold once upon a time and have since decided that if a firearm is in working order, it's there to stay whether or not I lose interest in it. When my time comes, my son (or other family members) can decide which remain and which don't.
 

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I'm in the keep everything at all costs camp.

They will pass to the kids and grandkids,
 

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The only thing that the onset of "geezerhood" has taught me is that they all need to stay. In years gone by too many have gone away only to be mourned later. Unless the acquisition is specifically acquired to turn for a profit it goes down the "black hole." In addition to most facets of shooting sports, hunting, and handloading, I enjoy collecting guns that interest me. The firearms that have piqued my interest never fail to continue to do so. So, I'll keep 'em. Firearms are entertaining and self-defense is only a small facet of my interest in the hobby.

Thankfully, there are very, very few currently produced firearms that "trip my trigger" so I can continue having fun seeking and playing with with the brands and models that appealed to me 30+ years ago, whether they were new or used at that time of my life.

Recoil hasn't become a physically debilitating issue yet at this point but I've never been a recoil junky. I still can manage recoil, have shot all manner of heavy recoiling firearms, and own some with a reputation for enthusiastic recoil but have never professed to enjoy being endlessly belted for entertainment.
I'll ditto your sentiment. The more "experience" I've gathered, the more I don't really see any reason to divest myself of anything in the safe. I've got a little history with most of them, and they're not really collector grade. Wouldn't bring much more than replacement cost if I tried to sell them. And who knows what the future holds. I'm not one to see the sky as fallin all the time, but the political landscape being what it is, who knows what prices and availability will look like "someday." Even if I don't shoot them routinely, I know they're there, and that's a nice feeling.
 

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Another Age related post. Really ?
You seem to have an issue with the OP's posts about age. See, e.g., your post #20 in http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum...ssion/166709-new-website-senior-shooters.html

We can certainly disagree on positions, and I have disagreed strongly with others here on some issues. But not on what they choose to post. Your immature snarking reflects poorly on you. Or perhaps you should seek some therapy to deal with the fears with which you are apparently struggling.
 

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Thanks guys. 50% of ccw permits are held by people 50 and over. I would think that the upper half of that number deserve some posts directed to their particular needs. In fact, response to my post has been so positive that I started a website exclusively for those 50 percenters. Some major gun websites have said they will link to it because there is NO website that exclusively caters to the senior shooter and yet, half of those carrying concealed guns fall into that category.
 

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Everybody has to make some adjustment for some reason and age is no exception...

the major adjustments for longevity are often purely physical. The corrections often needed for those with far less years center in deeper areas. The regions of mental or emotional maladies carry a more severe weightyness to them if they are to even be detected, let alone appropriately amended. Unbridled ego, fear and immaturity require lots more work to align properly. I'd not look forward to dealing with any of them much but those modifications for physical issues rather than mental or emmotional ones are the simpler ones to address. For some, it takes a lifetime.

As another poster said that they had recently ventured into gunland I did that too, just a couple years ago. I now own 3 sidearms, 1 carbine, and one 12ga autoloader. Each and every one of these use some sort of optic beyond the OEM sights. Most use lasers, one uses a high intensity LED tactical light. I’ve no difficulty handling any of them.

Any real concerns for me revolve around just plain old poor eyesight. It’s bad enough that close range shooting only (under 25 yds) is the primary agenda now and certainly going forward. Along with poorer sight, care & maintenance is an issue too so ease of take down is a prerequisite with any weapon I may become interested in with any new gun I might wish to purchase.

I don’t look at a prospective gun purchase as one I’ll be selling off or trading in later on. All of the guns I’d seek out to purchase I see as keepers. With each one though, I try to fill a nich or suit a need first, and a desire, secondly. Naturally, not each one so far has lived up to all of my expectations.

A Moss 930 HD 12ga was the initial pick. Take down and cleaning is not the simplest task. Despite the involved breakdown regimen, It’ll stay, though with some more experience and thoughtfulness, I’d have gone with 20ga instead. It’s bound to see some more modifications to it’s barrel and sights, as soon as conditions permit.

Following the shotgun a Ruger P345 was the first automatic handgun I’d ever owned. Once more I had landed on a good feeling and nice shooting arm, but disassembly is no slam dunk, and it’s capacity is not the best, but it shoots well, and can be carried without a ton of difficulty, provided I find the right holster for it.

Every gun purchased is a learning experience all to itself. These first two did just that taking me to school one more time. As the result of their lessons, the rest of the armory now on board are better suited to me, my needs, and of course easier to take care of.

Brought up on service 45s, I enjoy the comfort which stems from the knowledge I’m confident in what it brings to the table by it’s very nature. An FNP 45T shelved the KP345 after it had only a couple hundred rounds sent thru it. It’s the go to bedside firearm du jour… usually. I’m waffeling on attaching either a Surefire x400 G or opting for the Viridian X5L as it’s sighting mechanism. An RMR likely won’t get saddled up on this rig.

As good a solution I found for accuracy, stopping power, and CCW is my latest piece, another Ruger, the SR 40C. Outfitted with a Viridian C5L, and contained in a Taclok holster by the same maker, it’s a fierce backup, or one other ‘go to’ solution for close range SD. I like it a lot. By comparison shooting, it makes the big hefty FN tactical, feel like I’m shooting a 5.7, or a 22 rim fire.

Immediately before the SR 40C landed I got the urge to get in cheap for a pistol caliber rifle and finally opted for a Beretta carbine in the same caliber. It fields both a laser and an LED. It’s ridiculously accurate given it’s working range, and is not too troublesome to tare down and clean. I do shoot a heavier load in it than in the compact pistol however, 165 or 180 JHP.

Since the lessons these weapons have taught me, I’m still in the mix seeking out the perfect carry piece, and an AR 10 (if I ever stumble upon an optic suitable to my needs), and one last just for the love of it, revolver in 357.

AS I’ve yet to find the perfect sidearm, or shouldered gun, compromise and or adjustments are and will be always necessary in some way, fashion or form. That’s life. Everything has it’s own specific set of challenges. Grwoing up. Getting older. Getting used to new guns. Dissabilities. Change itself for some is a huge mountain to climb. Letting go of old ones. Of all the challenges people face, I’m not so sure which is the more troubling, letting go of longtime pieces, which became old friends, or letting go of long lasting ideas which are supplanted by newer, fresher, more updated notions.

I suppose the answer for me is always going to be that I'll let go of whatever, whenever a better remedy can be obtained to replace it... conditions permitting of course.

Now… if I can ever buy ammo for any of these anytime soon at reasonable prices… well, I guess that too is just one more adjustment many are now facing.
 
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