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"Feelings, wo-o-o feelings." If some people can't feel it, it just ain't real. You feel me?
 

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I'm not diabetic, but not one of my doctors cancelled any of my various appointments. In fact, many medical facilities here are having furloughs/lay-offs and operating hours reduced due to the patients cancelling the appointments
I think Florida residents are faring much better in the health care arena. Your Governor is better than most.

Most of the doctors here have cancelled appointments and will only see emergencies.

Just this past Tuesday they are starting to see people again.
 

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Example of the way YOU react to my post,not my reaction.

No...classic example of "you need 2 new docs" and if I can get good service,you should be able to ALSO.
If your doctors were in another state, they might not be seeing patients either. If his doctors were in your state, they might be seeing patients. Understanding the whole situation helps...
 

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How do you decontaminate groceries?
In the middle of this article under "Sanitizing Groceries Checklist." There's an accompanying video.

The bolded part:

Are you saying that if we do everything the tyrants want, we win?
Of course not. I'm saying that if you seize the moment, grab the initiative and shove their "protection orders" back in their face by doing it better while keeping it portable, you pull the rug out from beneath their stay home and close business arguments to the point where any who continue to refuse will get slammed in a lawsuit.

Put simply, you give yourself ammo i.e. teeth in the fight against corruption and authoritarianism.

What if they keep adding demands?
It's ju jitsu, and they're not that bright. If they were, they wouldn't be Demoncraps.

Stay ahead of them.

At what point do you say, "enough"?
From the beginning, and don't ever stop! They work for us, not the other way around.
 

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What we do is have the food order delivered in plastic bags then place the food inside as we are gloved up[ then wipe everything down with Disinfectant wipes.. Then put the food away in the pantry and dump the plastic bags in the outside can. I know...OVERKILL But?. At our age,this is Serious S**T. Just my $0.02.
That's a good approach. Cautious, yes, but not overkill. I'm in my 50s. My parents are in their 80s. Since Covid, I shop for them and sanitize their groceries before delivering them in a plastic crate.

I use 1 tsp bleach, 1 drop Dawn, and water in a 1 qt spray bottle, rub it around to cover the surface, then spray it off with hot (140 deg) water. Took me about 30 min to sanitize a full shopping cart's worth of groceries.

I think it's cheaper than wipes, and might be more effective, too. Last quite a while. A whole month for a 1 qt bottle of mixture.
 

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As always it depends on who or what you wish to believe.
There is no longer black and white answers to problems, it is all a mater of how you feel about the situation.
Mountainsides are littered with aircraft wreckage created by aircrews who "felt" they were at a different location or altitude than where they really were.

Reality trumps feelings 100% of the time.
 

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The stupid with the DeBlasio plan knows no bounds. The sheer lack of any "social distancing" for the police officers safety... That's just the first thought that came to mind.
 

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How do you decontaminate groceries?
How to sanitize your groceries:


Are you saying that if we do everything the tyrants want, we win?
Of course not. Don't be silly.

What if they keep adding demands? At what point do you say, "enough"?
We're not doing anything they "demand."

We're doing that which is necessary to contain the virus of our own free will and volition and ignoring the un-Constitutional demands. If the tyrants attempt to "lower the boom," we file for injunctions against their un-Constitutional actions.

We're largely winning, but only because we present our own, "Protection is Portable" arguments in court, including the procedures I outlined. The crux is that we understand the threat and are taking all necessary and reasonable precautions to mitigate the threat while the gubbenmint's demands are:

A) Unnecessary due to our own procedures to mitigate the threat
B) Unreasonable as stay-at-home and business shut-down orders are crippling the economy
C) Unlawful as they deprive us of our Constitutional rights and freedoms, including our right to work, pursue happiness, etc.

In fact, in response, the government has issued new requirements, which, although they're still over-controlling and somewhat burdensome, are manageable, as those requirements are no longer blocking our ability to get back to work. Where they're still unreasonable, we're taking those back to court, as well.

Given the fact the overwhelming majority of unreasonable and Constitutionally unlawful edicts are coming from states where Democrats are in charge, the solution is simple: Stop electing Democrats.
 

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We're not doing anything they "demand."

We're doing that which is necessary to contain the virus of our own free will and volition and ignoring the un-Constitutional demands.
If the tyrants attempt to "lower the boom," we file for injunctions against their un-Constitutional actions.
If you want to believe that you're doing all this on your own, that's fine but there have been plenty of UnConstitutional demands that people are being forced to follow. Don't kid yourself.

They've loosened some of the restrictions but they should never have been in force to begin with...so the don't get any thanks and gratitude from me.

I agree that we have to stop electing Democrats.
 

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Your argument assumes the tyrants bother to justify further lock downs.
Not at all. Most won't. In order to remain free, we have to take them to task, anyway, and in order to make permanent dents in tyranny, it's gotta HURT, meaning they screw their party's chances of reelection for a decade.

Private enterprises are profit driven, and could implement safe and effective procedures if only the Government would let them. But many in Government feel we're too stupid to come up with our own solutions.
Then don't wait for the government to come up with the solution. Lead the way. I began sharing the military's solution (mask) back in March, before President Trump said the first thing about a two-week stand-down. Such a shame everyone who heard either stood around like deer in the headlights, or worse, saying, "You're overreacting."

Because they did nothing, the government turned around and overreacted, and look where we are now.

Do you expect a rational and reasonable response from state governments like California, New Jersey and New York, which have made nursing homes accept Covid-19 patients from hospitals, resulting in thousands of deaths?
Are you in the habit of asking questions the answers to which always begin with a big, fat, "Heck no!" ?

Friend, you could walk around in a bio-hazard suit and it wouldn't matter.
It would have mattered if businesses and society had of their own volition simply worn protective eyewear, masks, and following basic procedures BEFORE governments started the lock-downs.

This lock down has gone from prevention to control.
Amazing how that works.
 

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Then don't wait for the government to come up with the solution. Lead the way. I began sharing the military's solution (mask) back in March, before President Trump said the first thing about a two-week stand-down. Such a shame everyone who heard either stood around like deer in the headlights, or worse, saying, "You're overreacting."

Because they did nothing, the government turned around and overreacted, and look where we are now.



It would have mattered if businesses and society had of their own volition simply worn protective eyewear, masks, and following basic procedures BEFORE governments started the lock-downs.

Well, now there's this:

https://nypost.com/2020/05/28/healthy-people-should-wear-masks-only-if-caring-for-coronavirus-patients-who-says/?fbclid=IwAR3w0zxbe3TzPmnfWgvZZ9Y8KFH0T0SUHWOXDc9eKKmPpMd86U5UrknJ99U

"The World Health Organization is recommending healthy people, including those who don’t exhibit COVID-19 symptoms, only wear masks when taking care of someone infected with the contagion, a sharp contrast from the advice given by American public health officials who recommend everyone wear a mask in public".

“If you do not have any [respiratory] symptoms such as fever, cough or runny nose, you do not need to wear a mask,” Dr. April Baller, a public health specialist for the WHO, says in a video on the world health body’s website. “Masks should only be used by health care workers, caretakers or by people who are sick with symptoms of fever and cough.”
 

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Well, now there's this...
You really think I'm going to trust either organization, both of whose mask wear guidelines flip-flopped, not once, but twice, and whose "not necessary" guidelines proved to be deadly wrong during the early stages of COVID-19's migration?

Heck no! I'm going to fall back on my military training, which says if there's a contagion out there, and you don't want to get it, you wear a mask and follow the proper procedures for stopping it.

I'll bet Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore are glad they didn't listed to the World Health Organization!

Train in Hong Kong - Early May 2020.jpg
 

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If you want to believe that you're doing all this on your own..
Why would you jump to the conclusion that I'm "doing all this on (my) own???

They've loosened some of the restrictions but they should never have been in force to begin with...so the don't get any thanks and gratitude from me.
Same here, and I'd still like to give each and every Demoncrap in our state's house, senate and governor's seat a swift kick in their backside for being so STUPID if not sublimely FOOLISH in their un-Constitutional and ineffective and hugely damaging handling of the situation.

I agree that we have to stop electing Democrats.
:danceban: Yeah! :banana:
 
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