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Every gun I ever bought on the net, or sold on the net, has to be shipped to a FFL dealer for the paperwork and background check.

Are the dems just stupid because they don't buy guns and know what is involved? Or is it just a talking 'propaganda' point?
 

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It is possible to go to a gun show and buy a gun from a private seller without going through a background check, hence the 'gunshow loophole".

It is possible to advertise guns for sale on the internet and then meet the buyer face to face for the transaction, again without going through a background check, making the "internet sales" claim valid.

How much either of these options are used by disqualified people to skirt gun possession laws and obtain firearms is purely a matter of speculation. The pro-2A advocates will claim the impact is minimal, while the antis will throw out a ridiculous statistic.

Lawmakers make political hay either way, or at least they used to. Now, it's just the antis yammering with everyone else pretty much going unheard.
 

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The whole problem is that you will never have universal background checks without total and absolute registration. If you do not have every law abiding citizens guns registered you would have a series of transaction that would be considered "grandfathered". That means that those guns purchased without a check prior to the passage of the universal background law would still be ok. If that is the case then you would never really know if a suspected illegal transaction occurred today or sometime prior to the law being passed making it "grandfathered". If there is no "Grandfathering" then those weapons will have to be registered and if there is Grandfathering, the system has a larger loophole than before.
 

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It is a lie aimed at people who have never purchased firearms before to attempt to convince them we must have universal background checks and total registration.
 

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You must attribute at least part of the answer to the reality that liberal/socialist gun grabbers always tout their moral and intellectual superiority. The fly in the ointment is that they fill their brains with all manner of illegal drugs continually, thus significantly lowering their intelligence level and ability to reason. Add that to the fact that one must be terminally lacking in common sense to think that socialism works so well and is flourishing around the world and ....viola! Internet gun sales look so appealing.
@Mike1956 highlighted the facts concerning the mythical mass murderer searching out a gun on the internet or gun venue.

The final reality is that there is absolutely no need for such self-incriminating activities. In most socialist-failed cities across America, a felon getting a gun is no more difficult that a quick stroll through the neighborhood. When caught and convicted of a felony, the same idjit simply goes out and procures another illegal gun. When caught the second time (felon with a gun) the liberal judges sentence said idjit to 30 days because you wouldn't want to agitate your voter base.

More coffee.....more coffee!
 

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It is a lie aimed at people who have never purchased firearms before to attempt to convince them we must have universal background checks and total registration.
All while acknowledging that such measures will do little, if anything to deter crime, but are merely good first steps toward "we have to do something!!!".
 

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It is possible to go to a gun show and buy a gun from a private seller without going through a background check, hence the 'gunshow loophole".

It is possible to advertise guns for sale on the internet and then meet the buyer face to face for the transaction, again without going through a background check, making the "internet sales" claim valid.

How much either of these options are used by disqualified people to skirt gun possession laws and obtain firearms is purely a matter of speculation. The pro-2A advocates will claim the impact is minimal, while the antis will throw out a ridiculous statistic.

Lawmakers make political hay either way, or at least they used to. Now, it's just the antis yammering with everyone else pretty much going unheard.
Do tell.

"O'Rourke on Friday released a sweeping plan to combat gun violence, which included bringing back the assault weapons ban, working with Congress to enact background checks, a gun-licensing and registry system and mandatory buybacks for assault weapons. The plan also included a platform to combat white nationalism.

In his return to the campaign trail on Thursday, O'Rourke vowed to concentrate his campaign on communities where he said President Trump has been "terrorizing, and terrifying and demeaning our fellow Americans."

I'm glad the Wizards of Smart have it all figured-out; just remove all of our unalienable rights, and crime will simply disappear.
 

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Do tell.

"O'Rourke on Friday released a sweeping plan to combat gun violence, which included bringing back the assault weapons ban, working with Congress to enact background checks, a gun-licensing and registry system and mandatory buybacks for assault weapons. The plan also included a platform to combat white nationalism.

In his return to the campaign trail on Thursday, O'Rourke vowed to concentrate his campaign on communities where he said President Trump has been "terrorizing, and terrifying and demeaning our fellow Americans."

I'm glad the Wizards of Smart have it all figured-out; just remove all of our unalienable rights, and crime will simply disappear.
The association by the left of pro-2A sentiment with racism, white nationalism, white privilege, xenophobia, and other extreme intolerance is just the latest approach of the freedom-hating, totalitarian left.
 

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The association by the left of pro-2A sentiment with racism, white nationalism, white privilege, xenophobia, and other extreme intolerance is just the latest approach of the freedom-hating, totalitarian left.
I've never seen anything like this in my lifetime. But I'm just a kid at 71.
 

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You can google the original document but here is where criminals get their guns:

US DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
Office of Justice Programs
Bureau of Justice Statistics
“SOURCE AND USE OF FIREARMS INVOLVED IN CRIMES:”
January 2019

Criminals in Federal and State Prisons who used a gun in their offense:

7.5% bought the gun at a retail store, where background checks are already required.

0.8% bought the gun at a gun show

25.3% obtained from family or a friend

43.2% obtained thru theft or black market

Rifles (all types) were used in 1.5% of the crimes

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=6486
 

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Why do people believe "assault weapons" were banned? Certain guns disappeared, but there never was a single day during the so called ban that I couldn't walk into a gun store and walk out with a brand new AR15. It wouldn't have had a threaded barrel, flash hider, bayonet mount, folding stock or 30 round mag, but it was still an AR15. 30 rounds mags were available everywhere at a higher price. was it really a ban??
 

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I've never seen anything like this in my lifetime. But I'm just a kid at 71.
We both came up in the fifties and sixties. Neither have I. The violence of the civil rights and anti-war movements both had a comparatively-narrow focus when looking at the divisiveness of today.
 

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We both came up in the fifties and sixties. Neither have I. The violence of the civil rights and anti-war movements both had a comparatively-narrow focus when looking at the divisiveness of today.
Indeed !
 

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It is possible to go to a gun show and buy a gun from a private seller without going through a background check, hence the 'gunshow loophole".

It is possible to advertise guns for sale on the internet and then meet the buyer face to face for the transaction, again without going through a background check, making the "internet sales" claim valid.

How much either of these options are used by disqualified people to skirt gun possession laws and obtain firearms is purely a matter of speculation. The pro-2A advocates will claim the impact is minimal, while the antis will throw out a ridiculous statistic.

Lawmakers make political hay either way, or at least they used to. Now, it's just the antis yammering with everyone else pretty much going unheard.
^^^^^ This
 

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Every gun I ever bought on the net, or sold on the net, has to be shipped to a FFL dealer for the paperwork and background check.

Are the dems just stupid because they don't buy guns and know what is involved? Or is it just a talking 'propaganda' point?
It's not just Dems saying that. Sen Collins (R-ME) claims the same thing. Just another RINO though.
 

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It is possible to go to a gun show and buy a gun from a private seller without going through a background check, hence the 'gunshow loophole".

It is possible to advertise guns for sale on the internet and then meet the buyer face to face for the transaction, again without going through a background check, making the "internet sales" claim valid.

How much either of these options are used by disqualified people to skirt gun possession laws and obtain firearms is purely a matter of speculation. The pro-2A advocates will claim the impact is minimal, while the antis will throw out a ridiculous statistic.

Lawmakers make political hay either way, or at least they used to. Now, it's just the antis yammering with everyone else pretty much going unheard.
If I go to a gun show and buy a gun from a private seller, it’s a private sale, so there is no gun show loophole. If someone online says they are selling a gun, and I meet them and buy it, it’s a private sale, not an online sale, so I am not buying a gun online without a background check, I am buying a gun in a face to face private transaction that doesn’t require a background check.
 

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If I go to a gun show and buy a gun from a private seller, it’s a private sale, so there is no gun show loophole. If someone online says they are selling a gun, and I meet them and buy it, it’s a private sale, not an online sale, so I am not buying a gun online without a background check, I am buying a gun in a face to face private transaction that doesn’t require a background check.
Two realities that UBC adherents seek to make illegal.
 
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Two realities that UBC adherents seek to make illegal.
Yes, but it is still a private transaction. What they say about the gun show loophole and online sales is false. Private sales do not require background checks, and they shouldn’t. It’s also not something that can be enforced. They are lying about these things to gain support from people who don’t know any better.
 

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Yes, but it is still a private transaction. What they say about the gun show loophole and online sales is false. Private sales do not require background checks, and they shouldn’t. It’s also not something that can be enforced. They are lying about these things to gain support from people who don’t know any better.
What are they lying about? I'm thinking I accurately characterized the gun show loophole and internet gun sales.
 
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