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WILL AMERICA BECOME LIKE the world in the movie V for Vendetta?

I have read a few success stories on this site about how the news words successful robbery deaths as the robber being a victim of the gun, and it got me to thinking how the media changes everything around in the movie V for Vendetta, and was wondering people's thoughts on if America would ever get like that?
It all ready kinda is!
 

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I just saw this movie last weekend...I'd been avoiding it because of the many negative things said about it by "some" reviewers: "it's anti-government/anti-Bush/anti-America/etc." Last week, I was speaking to one of the vendors at work that I've known for many years...he's an anti-U.N., freedom loving ex-Brit who's now an American citizen (and no...he doesn't post on this forum :image035: ) whose opinion I value. He asked me if I'd seen V for Vendetta, and I told him "no, I heard that it was anti-gov't, etc."

He said that he had seen it, and it was a very good movie...not anti-gov't, but anti-tyranny.

And he was right.

It is a mixture of 1984 and Atlas Shrugged , and it really makes you examine your own beliefs and how you came by those beliefs.

Will America become like the world in V for Vendetta? I don't know... but it's only one of the questions this movie will force you to confront in your own mind.
 

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I have heard of this movie but - seeing as I rarely if ever go to movie theater may be a while I'll wait until DVD appears - if not here already. Maybe PPV sometime.

Even without that sort of movie, these days there is still enough to provoke some quite serious thinking :wink:

So Rick you know another Ex Brit too - shucks, and you survived :wink: :18: Sounds like my kinda guy.
 

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Chris, are all ex-Brits so vocally anti-U.N.? :rofl:
I think that this movie will play well on DVD at home...you won't necessarily have to go to the theater to enjoy it. There is a lot of action in it, but a lot of thought provoking dialog as well.
 

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Chris, are all ex-Brits so vocally anti-U.N.?
Probably not Rick, as the ''sheeple quotient'' is I think alive and well in UK too. For many, the UN has a solar fundamental orifice :wink:

I do tho - perhaps understandably (ya know like with like) - have a good few old buddies there who are crazy (old) rebels like me :18: and are not too enamored of the UN and can see thru a lot of the window dressing!
 

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Movie in my opinion is not worth the price at the box office. However, it is entertaining enough and carries a good message. Anything is possible and I have learned never to say never. So sure, our government could theoretically become that controlling and backwards. I will not get into a monologue about revolt because frankly, are government is far from this kind of control and I love My Country. But when push comes to shove there is always strength in numbers and unity in a common cause.
 

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Well, my right wing girlfriend and I saw it. We both agreeded there is a limit to how far guberment can go before people act.
We had some very interesting conversations about the message.

Me, I'd recommend going to see it. It doesn't surprise me that reviewers didn't give it high marks because it requires people to use critical thinking skills. This is something the people have lost.

I'll pick it up on DVD, just like I did with "Good Night and Good Luck"
 

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Well, my right wing girlfriend and I saw it. We both agreeded there is a limit to how far guberment can go before people act.

I'd love to agree with that but I can't. Look at what has gone on in this country the sheep don't rise up A few things come to mind
1-Ruby Ridge
2-Waco
3-New Orleans

More and more ever year I see the Constitution being flushed down the toilet.

Look at the rulings that come out of the Court. Now if someone in private business has just a few connections they can take your property.

To me when I look at all this and things like the Patroit Act I wonder what the founding fathers would say. Heck I know. They would tell you it is time to take the country back using any means it takes. We are way closer to a Police State then the Republic the founding fathers wanted.

Goverment is and for some years now been to the point were they care less about what the working people want. We at one time were a Government of the people by the people and for the people. Now we have become a government by the elite and for the elite.

A couple more things to show were we are heading NAFTA and CAFTA Over 1 million people a year just walk into the country. The only ones who care about this our the working men and women You see how much the leaders of the country in both parties care anymore. That is why for now on I will only vote the Constitution Party
 

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It showed how far a government may go to control it's citizens, how power corrupts, and how willing some are to be led like sheep. This was England of the future where the governing branch had total power over all. Very good movie.
 

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I have not seen this movie because conservatives have been saying it is a terrorist apologist essay. Anti-American etc. Yet I have to wonder: What would happen in this country if we were victimized by a confluence of disasters? Perhaps a combination of another super hurricane and a massive WMD terror attack. Whatever. The infrastructure is shattered and there can be no federal response to the natural disaster because there is no federal government. The UN sends in "Peace Keepers." We become effectively a UN protectorate. The UN will do what the UN does. Taxes, gun control, open borders....yada yada yada

How would WE react? How would the patriots of 1775 be portrayed today? You betcha, they'd be called terrorists. Villified, demonized and shunned. I don't think the American Revolution of 1775 would succeed in the 21st century. But I am reminded of the old bumper sticker: When they outlaw guns...I'll be an OUTLAW!
 

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ExSoldier762. I really think you will see what you described come to be. I for one believe that their is a NWO made up of the Elite that really control the government. I believe the goal they have is a one world government with a one world monetary system. That is the true goal of the UN and the IMF. To reach that goal first they have to break America. You can see that happening everyday. Just look at NAFTA,CAFTA,Campaign Reform,the Patroit Act, The open borders that will turn this once great country into no more then a third world nation. The list can go on and on. America has only two ways it can survive.
1-The people who truly believe in the Republic the way it was really setup start another Revolution and take the Republic back. 99% of the DC politicans in both parties are traitors and should be strung up

2-The American people wake up and realize that both parties are controlled by the Elite and neither are a friend of the Republic. So we put a 3rd party in charge of the country. Say the Constitution Party


I for one don't see either of the two things happening. If the American People had the love for the Republic that the Founding Fathers had you can bet their would have been another Revolution years ago
 

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The UN sends in "Peace Keepers." We become effectively a UN protectorate. The UN will do what the UN does. Taxes, gun control, open borders....yada yada yada
We don't even need a "natural" disaster- our debt is to the point where dumping a few T-bills would start a major spiral. The solution: " The North American Community. Bound together with a strong and willing work force, with virtually unlimited agricultural and industrial production capacity.....We will need to unify under a common body of laws, etc., etc..", of course. That should pucker you up. Canada hasn't had testosterone since about '40-'45, and Mexico likes it's peasants just that- "peasants".

Edit: Ex, it isn't apologist as much as "inclusive". As stated, themes of 1984, Farenheit 451, Atlas Shrugged. Little heavy with the "homosexual persecution"(about 3-5 minutes worth), but that is what Hollyweird feels will connect them to the "Intelligencia". Well worth seeing.
 

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Reality Bites: We're Toast

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I believe the goal they have is a one world government with a one world monetary system. That is the true goal of the UN and the IMF. To reach that goal first they have to break America. You can see that happening everyday. Just look at NAFTA,CAFTA,Campaign Reform,the Patroit Act, The open borders that will turn this once great country into no more then a third world nation. The list can go on and on. America has only two ways it can survive.
1-The people who truly believe in the Republic the way it was really setup start another Revolution and take the Republic back.

2-The American people wake up and realize that both parties are controlled by the Elite and neither are a friend of the Republic. So we put a 3rd party in charge of the country. Say the Constitution Party.

I for one don't see either of the two things happening. If the American People had the love for the Republic that the Founding Fathers had you can bet their would have been another Revolution years ago
Actually speaking as a teacher of American Government, the Founding Fathers actually envisioned a replay of the American Revolution to take place once every 50 or so years. Thus we are waaaaaay overdue. :badguy:

Too bad the globalists got hold of our educational system in the 1960's and started preparing young minds for the inevitable. How many bumperstickers have you seen on yuppie Volvo's that read Think GLOBALLY....Act LOCALLY?:duh:

Here is the scary thing: Between Bush #41 and Clinton we were brought closer to this ultimate goal in the last 20 years than at anytime in the previous 70 years combined! I never lumped Bush #43 in with his CFR daddy and CFR Clinton (those two are BUTT buddies now, huh?) but his attitude on our border security makes me rethink this.:7:

There is really only ONE thing standing between a reality of a one world government for the UN and that is the fact of 100 MILLION armed Americans. For a true NWO to come to pass, this country must be brought to her knees economically and politically. That's a given. But the final nail in our coffin will be the unilateral disarmament of our citizenry. That is the ultimate goal before any NWO can become a reality.

The Republicans and the Democrats are slowly merging into one party in search of that critical and elusive "centrist" voter. Who are the centrists? They're the products of public education since 1960. :sheep: Hmmmmmmm Do we see a nexus here? Forget 3rd parties like Constitutional or "Green" they will always be seen as "fringe" by the masses. :aargh4: Their only role is as the spoiler. Ask Al Gore about the Greens in 2000 or Bush #41 about Perot's little group in '92.:buttkick:

It's going to take a massive upheaval in our lives like the confluence of a super active hurricane season where killer storms come ashore in multiple areas and maybe a WMD terror attack.:dead:

Then watch out! The Executive Orders waiting in the wings for just this situation get tripped, the peace keepers roll in (we'll NEVER get rid of them) and life as we know it is over. The sad thing is that 99.99% of the :sheep: won't even whimper in protest. You guys DO know about the Executive Orders, right?

WARNING WARNING WARNING

The following is not the delusional ranting of a TINFOIL HAT whacko!

ALL of this can be verified very easily by taking a cyber stroll through THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS where all of this is published.

A lot of folks slammed FEMA during the recent disasters along the Gulf Coast. They deserved it because their TRUE role is NOT disaster relief. The fact is, picture the New Orleans SCENARIO on a nationwide scale. THAT is what FEMA was designed to handle....but not in a fashion which most of us would expect. If it ....NO...WHEN it comes to pass...THIS is what to expect:

(NOTE all emphasis is mine)

Some people have referred to it as the "secret government" of the United States. It is not an elected body, it does not involve itself in public disclosures, and it even has a quasi-secret budget in the hundreds of billions of dollars. This government organization has more power than the President of the United States or the Congress, more power than "the people", it has the power to suspend laws, move entire populations, arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and hold them without trial, it can seize property, food supplies, transportation systems, and can suspend the Constitution.

Not only is it the most powerful entity in the United States, but it was not even created under Constitutional law by the Congress. It was a product of a Presidential Executive Order. It is not the U.S. military nor the Central Intelligence Agency. These organizations are subject to the control of Congress. The organization is called FEMA, which stands for the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

Originally conceived in the Richard Nixon Administration, it was refined by Jimmy Carter and given teeth in the Ronald Reagan and George Bush Administrations.

FEMA had one original concept when it was created, to ensure the survivability of the United States government in the event of a nuclear attack on this nation. It was also provided with the task of being a federal coordinating body during times of domestic disasters, such as earthquakes, floods and hurricanes.

It's awesome powers grew under the tutelage of people like Lt. Col. Oliver North and General Richard Secord, the architects on the Iran-Contra scandal and the looting of America's savings and loan institutions. FEMA has even been given control of the State Defense Forces, a rag-tag, often considered neo-Nazi, civilian army that will substitute for the National Guard, if the Guard is called to duty overseas. (ExSoldier's note: I personally think of OLLIE as one of the good guys....maybe manipulated in this situation)

THE MOST POWERFUL ORGANIZATION IN THE UNITED STATES

FEMA has crept into our private lives. Even mortgage papers contain FEMA's name in small print if the property in question is near a flood plain. FEMA was deeply involved in the Los Angeles riots and the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake in the San Francisco Bay Area. Some of the black helicopter traffic reported throughout the United States, but mainly in the West, California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and Colorado, are flown by FEMA personnel. FEMA has been given responsibility for many new disasters including urban forest fires, home heating emergencies, refugee situations, urban riots, and emergency planning for nuclear and toxic incidents. In the West, it works in conjunction with the Sixth Army.

FEMA was created in a series of Executive Orders. A Presidential Executive Order, whether Constitutional or not, becomes law simply by its publication in the Federal Register. Congress is by-passed.

Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA had spent only about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies while the bulk of their funding had been used for the construction of ground facilities to ensure continuity of government in case of a major emergency, foreign or domestic.

Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry.

Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 ( 27 F.R. 1527 ) allows Secretary of Transportation to take over ALL modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports. It also gives the Secretary of Commerce full control of the production and distribution of ALL construction materials, gas, oil, and power as well as ALL civilian, private aviation facilities, highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 ( 27 F.R. 1519 ) allows the government to seize and control the communication media. It establishes the Telecommunications Management Agency that provides for the "takeover" of ALL communications media in the United States. This includes broadcast and cable television, ALL radio stations, ALL satellite earth stations and satellites and ALL telephone companies and telephone systems in the United States.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 ( 27 F.R. 1522 ) allows the government to take over ALL electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals. In other words, ALL sources of energy.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 ( 27 F.R. 1524 ) allows the Secretary of Agriculture to take over ALL food resources and farms and farm equipment. This means that all privately owned farmland and food resources will be commandeered by the Federal Government, together with all farm implements and equipment used to work this land. ALL will become the property of the Federal Government.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999 - Provides for taking over all modes of transportation, control of highways, seaports, etc.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 ( 27 F.R. 1532 ) allows the Secretary of Labor to "mobilize" civilians into work brigades under government supervision. That's right, every working American will be under the direct supervision of the Federal Government. Where you work now or want to work in the future is not a consideration. You will be required to work where you are told to work. Have you ever considered the term "slave labor"?

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 ( 27 F.R. 1534 ) allows the Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare to control ALL health services, doctors, hospitals, etc., ALL welfare services and All educational programs and facilities, public and private.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 ( 27 F.R. 1539 ) designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of ALL persons in the United States. This will account for every American, his or her location and "status".

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 ( 27 F.R. 1540 ) empowers the Federal Aviation Administration to take over ALL airports and commandeer ALL aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 ( 27 F.R. 1542 ) establishes the authority for the Federal Housing Administration (FHA) to take control of ALL housing, lodging and community facilities in the United States. This means the relocation, to a place of the government's choosing, of any part of the population they choose to move. In other words, it doesn't matter where you live now or what property you own, it will become the property of the government and THE GOVERNMENT WILL TELL YOU WHERE TO LIVE. It will relocate entire communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 ( 27 F.R. 1544 ) empowers the Interstate Commerce Commission to take over ALL railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 ( 27 F.R. 1688 ) specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international or domestic tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 ( 32 F.R. 12877 ) directs the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in All Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate ALL penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11490 ( 34 F.R. 17567 ) authored by Richard Nixon consolidates all previous Executive Orders into one act of law. It also gave the Department of Justice the power to control "alien enemies" and all "other aliens" and to provide for their location, relocation, restraint and/or custody. It also provides the power to seize ALL property of the alien enemies and "other aliens". No definition of terms was given to know who "alien enemies" or "other aliens" are. It is left to the discretion of the Department of Justice, It allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution of ALL energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institutions in any undefined national emergency. It makes mandatory the confiscation and control of ALL monetary items and the entire financial structure and assets of the United States of America, public, private and institutional by the Secretary of the Treasury. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

And last but not least, on 20 July 1979 "You Can Trust Me" President Jimmy Carter authored EXECUTIVE ORDER 12148 ( 44 F.R. 43239 ) which completes the plan for the COMPLETE DICTATORSHIP RULE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. In this E.O. President Carter places the powers previously given to separate agencies or departments/administrations under the SOLE CONTROL of FEMA - the Federal Emergency Management Agency. He also "handed off" to FEMA many powers previously held ONLY BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA such as FULL CONTROL OF THE MILITARY FORCES.

Yes, FEMA can now assume the powers and duties of the President, in violation of the Constitution of the United States of America. All that is needed to implement these controls is the declaration of a national emergency by any President. Neither Congress, previous Presidents nor the courts have ever rendered a definition of a "National Emergency"!

EXECUTIVE ORDER 12803 - Provides for privatization of nation's infrastructure through sale of public assets to private parties.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 12919 - Brings everything not covered above under total government control.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis.

FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate: the National Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities;

The 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy;

The Act of August 29, 1916, which authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency; and

The International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.

SOUTH FLORIDA / SOUTH LOUISIANA "FUBAR" FOCUSED ATTENTION ON FEMA

FEMA's deceptive role really did not come to light with much of the public until Hurricane Andrew smashed into the U.S. mainland. As Russell R. Dynes, director of the Disaster Research Center of the University of Delaware, wrote in The World and I, "...The eye of the political storm hovered over the Federal Emergency Management Agency. FEMA became a convenient target for criticism." Because FEMA was accused of dropping the ball in Florida, the media and Congress commenced to study this agency.

What came out of the critical look was that FEMA was spending 12 times more for "black operations" than for disaster relief. It spent $4.3 billion building secret bunkers throughout the United States in anticipation of government disruption by foreign or domestic upheaval. Fewer than 20 members of Congress, only members with top security clearance, know of the $4.3 billion expenditure by FEMA for non-natural disaster situations. These few Congressional leaders state that FEMA has a "black curtain" around its operations. FEMA had worked on National Security programs since 1979, and its predecessor, the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency, had secretly spent billions of dollars before being merged into FEMA by President Carter in 1979.

FEMA's enormous powers can be triggered easily. In any form of domestic or foreign problem, perceived and not always actual, emergency powers can be enacted. The President of the United States now has broader powers to declare martial law, which activates FEMA's extra-ordinary powers. Martial law can be declared during time of increased tension overseas, economic problems within the United States, such as a depression, civil unrest, demonstrations or scenes like the Los Angeles riots, and in a drug crisis.

These Presidential powers have increased with successive Crime Bills, particularly the 1991 and 1993 Crime Bills, which increase the power to suspend the rights guaranteed under the Constitution and to seize property from those suspected of being drug dealers and to individuals who participate in a public protest or demonstration. Under emergency plans already in existence, the power exists to suspend the Constitution and turn over the reigns of government to FEMA and appointing military commanders to run state and local governments. FEMA then would have the right to order the detention of anyone whom there is reasonable ground to believe...will engage in, or probably conspire with others to engage in acts of espionage or sabotage. The plan also authorized the establishment of concentration camps for detaining the accused, but no trial.

Three times since 1984, FEMA stood on the threshold of taking control of the nation, once under President Reagan in 1984, and twice under President Bush in 1990 and 1992. Under those three scenarios, there was not a sufficient crisis to warrant risking martial law. Most experts on the subject of FEMA and Martial Law insisted that a crisis has to appear dangerous enough for the people of the United States before they would tolerate or accept complete government takeover.


The typical crisis needed would be threat of imminent nuclear war, rioting in several U.S. cities simultaneously a-la South Central Los Angeles and any other city, a series of national disasters that affect widespread danger to the populous, massive terrorist attacks, a depression in which tens of millions are unemployed and without financial resources, or a major environmental disaster.

ExSoldier's final note: IMHO ALL of this is going to come to pass and perhaps soon. Why am I so pessimistic? Simple, I've read the Book of Revelation.
 

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ExSoldier's final note: IMHO ALL of this is going to come to pass and perhaps soon. Why am I so pessimistic? Simple, I've read the Book of Revelation.
Ditto. Excellent post. Drooling mouth-breathers, exit left.:hand10:
 

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Those pesky 100 million (or so) armed Americans could cause some Unintended Consequences (plug for John Ross :wink: ) to occur...
 

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Those pesky 100 million (or so) armed Americans could cause some Unintended Consequences (plug for John Ross :wink: ) to occur...
Well I have to plug my friend's (Matthew Bracken) book too: Enemies Foreign and Domestic http://www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com

But sad to say, it won't happen. I'm very much afraid that 99.999% of all gun owners will meekly submit with a whimpering B-A-A-A-A.... .....please don't HURT me or my family....:sheep:

The other's will be too old to effectively resist. I might have said the job will happily fall to those quiet professionals, the SpecOps community who would rise up and overthrow the oppressors.

Guess what? The SpecOps guys are all products of the public schools too. So are the cops.....

In short after a briefly intense "SO LONG" from folks like me, it'll be a Brave NEW World.....all our guns will be melted down...well...MINE will already be hot.....:image035:
 

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...well...MINE will already be hot.....:image035:
:rofl: :hand10:
I've been wondering how the "home-schooled" kids who haven't been subjected to group think and may actually be learning American values might play in this equation?
 
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