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There is a serious shortage of premium defensive ammo north of the 49th parallel, so it's a sellers market.

I picked up some Winchester Ranger 9mm 147gr SXT rounds and paid through the nose for them. The guy said they were the replacement for the Black Talon.

Good stuff? Crap?? I still have some Hydra Shocks left. Should I carry them instead?
 

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I like them. The rumor is that SXT is a moniker for "Same Exact Thing" minus the moly coating. The Black Talon got too much bad press as a "cop killer" bullet so Winchester revamped the image and tweaked the product to get it off the negative perception radar screen.
 

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I carry the Ranger T in my guns. The only other round I carry is Federal HST. In my 9MM I use the 147 gr.

It's obscene what good HP ammo cost today. But if you need it you have to pay.

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I went with the middle weight SXT in my nines and the 230 grain +P in my .45. I like a little more velocity than the 147 gives, but that is just me. This is premium ammo that the company is marketing for law enforcement use only. If there was any performance issue with it they wouldn't be selling it. There is too much money and market share to be won or lost to put something out there that doesn't perform as advertised.
 

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I have both the ranger sxt and federal HST for carry ammo
 

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SXT is not the same thing as a Talon round; if you're looking for that (actually, an improved version of it), it's called Ranger-T.

SXT does not have the sharp petals like the Talon was notorious for; Ranger-T does.

That being said, SXT is a decent round.
 

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Cuda is correct. The Ranger T is the improved version of Black Talon without the black lubalox coating. The Black Talon and Range T have 6 petals and the SXT when expanded has 8. A rep from Winchester told me for ease od explaination the SXT is the civilain version of the T series ammunition. Either way its good.
 

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I carry these. I've put 2 mags of them downrange and had no expansion issues with the few I tested through water jugs.
 

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Hi there, I picked up a box today of Ranger 127 9mm +P+ T series. I got to thinking will my Walther P99 which is brand new handle them? SAMMI says the pressures built up by these rounds exceed their maximum's and the Walther manual specifically says no +P+ rounds.

Can you guys give me some reassurances here :)
 

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Regarding the price of the ammo. You only buy it once (or at least once every year). I never use it as practice rounds, I only carry it to use in a last ditch situation. Way too expensive to blast away at targets. Of course, other folks have other ideas (and budgets).
 

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True, I just want to make sure my Walther isn't going to blow up in my face from the extreme pressure...
 

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SXT is not the same thing as a Talon round; if you're looking for that (actually, an improved version of it), it's called Ranger-T.

SXT does not have the sharp petals like the Talon was notorious for; Ranger-T does.

That being said, SXT is a decent round.
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Hi there, I picked up a box today of Ranger 127 9mm +P+ T series. I got to thinking will my Walther P99 which is brand new handle them? SAMMI says the pressures built up by these rounds exceed their maximum's and the Walther manual specifically says no +P+ rounds.

Can you guys give me some reassurances here :)
Well, you have ammo that the manufacturer specifically says not to use. In the face of this, what kind of reassurance do you want? :wave:

I doubt that a few rounds will blow up the gun, but it certainly won't do anything for extending the life of the gun. The above-maximim pressures will stress the parts beyond what they were designed to handle on a regular basis.

Personally, the little actual increase in performance of the +P+ ammo isn't worth the (1) expense, (2) the increased wear on the gun and (3) the potential for actual parts breakage.

You shoot this super hot stuff at your own risk.
 
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