The question we need to ask ourselves is. Are we practicing our gross or fine motor skills at the range? The more you concern yourself with everything being prefect before you can shoot the more you are putting yourself behind in the fight. Learn to make hits when grip, stance and hard sight picture are not there. Learn to let your body do what it needs to make the hits.A simple set of skills, combined with an emphasis on actions
requiring complex and gross motor muscle operations (as opposed to fine-motor
control), all extensively rehearsed, allows for extraordinary performance
levels under stress. Lt. Col. Dave Grossman,
For me "the mindset of 'survival' in a gunfight" is the wrong mindset as you can survive while being in the hospital for a long time. I want to win and by winning I walk away from the fight and go home afterwards. There is more to winning the fight than just winning the gun battle, there is always going to be the after action of winning the LE engagement.but carry the mindset of 'survival' in a gunfight. Don't get killed. That's better than seeking to 'win'.
Bill, The only thing you said that i take issue with is grip. I believe that a good grip is a must, after that everything else is easy.Learn to make hits when grip, stance and hard sight picture are not there. Learn to let your body do what it needs to make the hits.
Yes, all things start with fundamentals but to win the game one needs to go beyond and learn to let it happen.
The do have a shot for that. Epinephrine, Its dumps and you go. It is not as good as experience, but it is very very close to the real thing. No flame here...I have my flame suit on so go ahead. I do not believe you can complete your training until you have experience. I have said before the first fight I was in I was not an asset to the group. As time went by and I learned to deal with that deafening roar in my ears and that tunnel vision I get along with controlling my breathing I became an asset to the group.
This is the game changer in my eyes. The gang banger is practicing his skills in real life drive by's and executions. They have a lot more real time on the gun than most police officers.
A good kill house is probably the best training outside of real shootings. I had a hard time with my fine motor skills for the longest time and I am guessing each person has different things to learn and deal with.
The range will get your hand eye coordination to the point you don't miss often. I wish there was a way to safely dump the adrenalin into your system while training. It would be great if you could crush a capsule in your teeth and get that instant drug push.
There is a system that is 180degree screen that allows you to fire while watching a movie and the operator can remotely operate a laser effectively shooting back at you on all exposed body parts. Pretty effective training.
Training is good getting and keeping the warrior mindset is the game changer in my book.
Then when you have done all of that the cruelest trick in life is played on you it is called bi-focals. Then the training starts all over for your lack of speed,hearing, sight etc.
Getting old sucks but the alternative isn't what I want.
I wish there was a way to safely dump the adrenalin into your system while training.
Yes the grip is important but there are times when the S^^^^ hits that you just don't get that good grip. You don't get the hand drove in up high on the gun or you get all tangled up in your shirt tail. There is no way you can say STOP and start all over you have to fight with what you have. If you have distance on your side there may be time to adjust. But up close and personal where most fight happen you have to make doBill, The only thing you said that i take issue with is grip. I believe that a good grip is a must, after that everything else is easy.
I have my flame suit on so go ahead. I do not believe you can complete your training until you have experience. I have said before the first fight I was in I was not an asset to the group. As time went by and I learned to deal with that deafening roar in my ears and that tunnel vision I get along with controlling my breathing I became an asset to the group. As a CCer where do you get to have that experience? You are not in a group so you have to be all you can be, because it's only you there in most CC situations.
I see that experience being in good structured FOF training. The closest thing to the real gunfight I've found.
This is the game changer in my eyes. The gang banger is practicing his skills in real life drive by's and executions. They have a lot more real time on the gun than most police officers.
A good kill house is probably the best training outside of real shootings. I had a hard time with my fine motor skills for the longest time and I am guessing each person has different things to learn and deal with.
The range will get your hand eye coordination to the point you don't miss often. I wish there was a way to safely dump the adrenalin into your system while training. It would be great if you could crush a capsule in your teeth and get that instant drug push.
There is a system that is 180degree screen that allows you to fire while watching a movie and the operator can remotely operate a laser effectively shooting back at you on all exposed body parts. Pretty effective training.
Training is good getting and keeping the warrior mindset is the game changer in my book. Mindset is the determining factor of the fight.
Then when you have done all of that the cruelest trick in life is played on you it is called bi-focals. Then the training starts all over for your lack of speed,hearing, sight etc.
Getting old sucks but the alternative isn't what I want. I could not agree more on the getting old problem.
You are right, but I still try to get a good grip.Yes the grip is important but there are times when the S^^^^ hits that you just don't get that good grip. You don't get the hand drove in up high on the gun or you get all tangled up in your shirt tail. There is no way you can say STOP and start all over you have to fight with what you have. If you have distance on your side there may be time to adjust. But up close and personal where most fight happen you have to make do
+1 on Force-on-Force training. I've been in training courses where they use noise and time pressure to create stress. I've tried things like running and doing pushups immediately before shooting. And, I've used the video simulators at Gander Mountain Academy. All are good and helpful.Force on Force training can get you going (the experience is really good). So can doing Paintball Gaming on a Military M.O.U.N.T Camp where you have a real city, apartments, fire station, city hall and two story School. 150 people on each side some with full auto paint ball guns and two way radio communications. This is about as real as it gets without real bullets. I have done USPSA against the clock including Mystery stages where you don't know what is in the Kill House. All of these are great training situations to keep you sharp and the skills well learned. Gun Fighting skills from some of the well known schools out there can give you a sharp edge where it is a 360 degree range and the guns are loaded all the time. I am planning what to take next later this year. YMMV.
BadgerJ...I would encourage you to get a copy of "Principles of Personal Defense" by Jeff Cooper... Jeff Cooper is perhaps the nation's foremost authority on defensive weaponcraft... Without quoting the complete book here, I'll just pass along HIS "seven" principles of personal defense...There's more to it. 'Winning' a gunfight is not done, typically, by being more aggressive, taking the shot, being more accurate, dominating. It's taking the right shot at the right time and defending, seeking time, distance and cover (assuming you're not an assassin). So train hard and aggressively all you want at the range, but carry the mindset of 'survival' in a gunfight. Don't get killed. That's better than seeking to 'win'.
Though it might seem obvious, thought I'd throw that in.
