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Well the Aikido dojo in AL didn't answer my email when I wrote to find out more info so I think they are closed or something. So now I'm thinking about moving to New York city and was wondering, if I got my license to be a bodyguard and CCW would I be able to use my weapon in my own defense or only my client's? Also, would I be allowed to carry when not "on the clock?"
 

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First of all why in heavens name would you want to move to NYC??!!

As to your questions, my guess would be you could use your weapon to protect yourself and client. If your taken out your client would be at the mercy of the BG.
As for being able to carry off duty, it would depend on the permit you were issued, if it is a "work permit" then I would say no, you could not carry if you were not actively guarding a client.

IANAL so those are only guesses on my part.
 

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The first line of archers reply says it all...
 

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I'm not sure permits can be had in NYC. Super Anti gun city.
 

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In search of a 'LOOPHOLE'...

There was a place called NY City, Where all the sheep lived squished, what a pity.......This was a magical place where rules of common sense and logic ceased to exist.....This was a land where Police Ticket books were more powerful than the Glock 17's they carried.....NYC is a disease....all of us that work there are infected.....the biggest criminal in NYC is NYC......bitter? Perhaps a smidge....$155 double parking tickets will do that to you.....
 

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Leaving Sugarland , Texas for NYC (get a roap lol)?? I dont know.

Yes you can get a ccw in NYC to work as an executive escort. You should be prepared to show contracts and proof that the principle needs protecting and more than likely the permit would only be for "on the clock" but that is a broad timeframe. Good luck with that stuff
 

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You are going to fight an uphill battle. It is possible but not probable. You are going to get a job at a security firm that does armed guard work. You will be able to carry while working. Do not be surprised that you will have to turn in your gun at the end of your shift and pick it back up at the start of the next day. My father and uncles all had a full carry in the NYC boros.
Only other way is to carry large sums cash or jewerly or prescrition drugs. or other high dollar items. IMHO Stay in Texas.
 

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Well, actually I'm not in Texas. I live in FL. I love TX and would like to move there, but AFAIK there aren't any dojo's teaching yoshinkan Aikido. NYC is one of the few places where I found a dojo. It doesn't seem to be very popular in the US. I'm only planning on going there to study Aikido.

If not NYC, I'll probably end up going to Tokyo, and they ain't any better on the gun issue, plus I heard that the police over there aren't bound by the same rules as our police and can take you in without any proof and you don't have the right to an attorney or anything.

You are going to fight an uphill battle. It is possible but not probable. You are going to get a job at a security firm that does armed guard work. You will be able to carry while working. Do not be surprised that you will have to turn in your gun at the end of your shift and pick it back up at the start of the next day. My father and uncles all had a full carry in the NYC boros.
Only other way is to carry large sums cash or jewerly or prescrition drugs. or other high dollar items. IMHO Stay in Texas.
how did your family get theirs?
 

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:nutkick:My fault on the Texas thing. I was jumping off of TX-JB second of all etc thread and somehow or another a sentence went missing sorry for causing confusion
 

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:nutkick:My fault on the Texas thing. I was jumping off of TX-JB second of all etc thread and somehow or another a sentence went missing sorry for causing confusion
A-OK. I'm honored to be confused for a Texan :haha:
 

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I'm not sure permits can be had in NYC. Super Anti gun city.
Permits are available for MAFIA hitmen, and Donald Trump.

The NT gun law, known as the Sullivan Law was written by a Tim Sullivan who was a gangster and leader of the Five Points Irish gang.
The law was written so that he had discretion in who got a permit. His gang members did get permits. Rival gang members did not get permits which made the police force a de facto member of his gang.

Nothing much has changed in 100 years.
 

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Well the Aikido dojo in AL didn't answer my email when I wrote to find out more info so I think they are closed or something. So now I'm thinking about moving to New York city and was wondering, if I got my license to be a bodyguard and CCW would I be able to use my weapon in my own defense or only my client's? Also, would I be allowed to carry when not "on the clock?"
ok first off. What did you want to know about aikido? Did you want to start some hand to hand training? If so i would look up a bujinkan dojo near you. I know in alabama there is one in birmingham, tuscaloosa, and huntsville. There may be others but i dont know them off hand.
 

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Well, actually I'm not in Texas. I live in FL. I love TX and would like to move there, but AFAIK there aren't any dojo's teaching yoshinkan Aikido. NYC is one of the few places where I found a dojo. It doesn't seem to be very popular in the US. I'm only planning on going there to study Aikido.

If not NYC, I'll probably end up going to Tokyo, and they ain't any better on the gun issue, plus I heard that the police over there aren't bound by the same rules as our police and can take you in without any proof and you don't have the right to an attorney or anything.



how did your family get theirs?
What's so special about yoshinkan Aikido? I'm not familiar with that style, but I do know that some form of Aikido is being taught here in the U.S.--why not give it a try?

Yeah, unless you speak Japanese and are totally familiar with their customs and laws, I'd stay away from there if I were you. I've heard some horror stories about their police and prisons, and you don't want to get in trouble over there!
 

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According to the Aikido Yoshinkan Foundation (formerly the International Yoshinkan Aikido Foundation founded by Gozo Shioda), there are 32 registered dojos around the US. Some of these are in gun-friendly states. All of these were founded following Gozo and/or Yasuhisa Shioda. If all you are looking for is Yoshinkan Aikido, there are many other dojos to check out, that don't require you moving to one of the most gun-unfriendly cities in the country.
 

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THIS is according to an NYC born and raised there for a while person, namely me... WHY WOULD YOU MOVE TO THAT SEWER(because the word I would use should never be mentioned on a family forum) HOLE? Live in PA and commute on the days your client needs protection OR get client to sign for 24/7 protection and live with them to cover your want to carry while not with client. Only 2 options, IMHO and as for the 24/7 thing,dont know if that works for you or not. Just a thought.
 

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I would study a different form of martial arts.

While I’ll agree some forms are better than others, none of them are worth moving to NYC.

Don’t get me wrong, I love NYC for its shows, shopping, and food, but I could not imagine going there unarmed.

And I figure that just because you apply for a security job, you still won’t see a gun permit for at least six months.
 

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According to the Aikido Yoshinkan Foundation (formerly the International Yoshinkan Aikido Foundation founded by Gozo Shioda), there are 32 registered dojos around the US. Some of these are in gun-friendly states. All of these were founded following Gozo and/or Yasuhisa Shioda. If all you are looking for is Yoshinkan Aikido, there are many other dojos to check out, that don't require you moving to one of the most gun-unfriendly cities in the country.
Yeah I was going down that list and a lot of them are out of business too. I don't know why AYF hasn't taken them off.

Also, I was considering NYC because my mom has friends there who are gonna help me find a job and an apartment and she wasn't comfortable with me going to an unfamiliar area without knowing someone. She can be a bit overprotective, but I love her anyway :wink:

I've been unarmed for 21 years, I hope 22 won't kill me :rofl: *knock on wood*
 

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As a former bodyguard, (CPS),
And a former resident of NY State, I gotta tell you, there is no such thing as a "bodyguard license". If you work for an armed security company you MAY be able to get a permit, but no guarantee, and you won't have any ability to carry of duty. To the state you are just another non LEO.
Most bodyguards obtain multi state CCWS, and/or go through attorneys and politicians to attempt to get permits where they are working. Without mony or connections, it's tough.
 

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Only other way is to carry large sums cash or jewerly or prescrition drugs. or other high dollar items. IMHO Stay in Texas.
Geez, I guess in NYC, and too many other places too, they think money, jewelry, perscription drugs are more valuable than a human life!! Where is the logic in that??? Sad.
 
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