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Hey Guys,

I don't get on much on here these days but do recommend the site to many of my friends and newbies for good info.


My Vietnam Vet friend sent me this.

Sorry I couldn't cut and paste a link from the email he sent me.


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MANDEVILLE, LA --(Ammoland.com)- Does the Wounded Warrior Project (WWP) have a bias against guns and gun makers?

Two weeks ago that would have sounded crazy, but this week many shooters are convinced that it’s true. Hundreds of hunts and shoots are held as fundraisers for the WWP, and gun companies donate to WWP for its projects. How could it be that this $185 million (2013 projected revenue) outfit could be anti-gun?

It started with a simple invitation — I wanted someone from the Wounded Warrior Project to join me for the Veteran’s Day episode of my national radio show, Tom Gresham’s Gun Talk. I had no idea it would turn into a national dustup which now has the gun rights community in a turmoil — so much so that people are burning their Wounded Warrior Project shirts.

We were disappointed when the Leslie Coleman, PR director for WWP, said they couldn’t come on the show, but that happens. Schedules don’t mesh, things happen, but that’s not uncommon. No big deal. Except that Ms. Coleman said they were declining because we “are related to firearms.”

“While we appreciate the interest in having a WWP representative on your show on Veterans Day we are not able to participate in interviews or activities with media/organizations that are related to firearms,” said Ms. Coleman in her email.

That really rocked us because we knew of all the firearms-related activities used to raise money for WWP. I asked for clarification, and Coleman reconfirmed their position. That Sunday I talked about it on the air and sent out a tweet (@guntalk) with the information. Some doubted that I had reported it correctly, so we posted the entire email exchange on our Facebook page. http://www.facebook.com/notes/gun-talk/wounded-warrior-project-email-exchange/10151354082553313

That lit the fuse, and hundreds (if not thousands) of gun rights supporters contacted WWP for clarification. The response was . . . a bit bland. Mostly it was along the lines of “We support the Second Amendment . . .,” but the WWP web site specifically called out the firearms industry as one it would not “co-brand” with. That is, it would not allow the use of its logo on guns (and it turns out, on knives, either.)

The other industries it won’t co-brand with? Alcohol and sex.

Coleman’s explanation that guns are used in suicides, and suicide is a big issue for returning vets, set off a firestorm of response. WWP quietly started making changes to its web site, removing mention of firearms, or changing it to “weapons.” Online firearms boards documented the changes, posting the before and after. The pressure mounted on WWP.

By midweek, with the help of the Professional Outdoor Media Association, WWP offered to put its CEO, Steve Nardizzi, on Gun Talk Radio to explain what they now called a big misunderstanding that had been blown out of proportion. I welcomed the chance to clear up this mess, which no one wanted. I hoped that Nardizzi would announce a change in the policy.

He didn’t. Once on the air, he said they support the Second Amendment (which really did remind me of when President Obama starts a sentence that way), and that they participate in hunts and shoots as fund raisers. Yes, we knew that. But what of the policy blocking the use of the WWP logo on guns? In fact, the policy prohibits the use of the logo at fundraisers where there is shooting, though that seems to be flexible.

No, he said, they would not “co-brand” with firearms or knives. The return on investment just wasn’t there, he explained. I asked why they would turn down the money from such a program when it didn’t interfere with their larger projects (ketchup, clothing, etc.), and he explained that co-branding requires much internal coordination with lawyers, PR people, and others to manage it, and that I wouldn’t understand it. Hmmm.?

What if we offered to cover all their internal expenses, and then co-brand (use their logo on guns and knives) as a way to contribute to WWP, I asked. Would that be okay? I never got a straight answer to that.

There was much back and forth, with it quickly taking on the feeling of dealing with a politician who has to be there, but who doesn’t really want to answer the questions. To get the full flavor of the interview, you can download it or listen online. http://tinyurl.com/cugy6ft

Nardizzi even went on the offensive, saying he can’t believe we would withhold donations from wounded vets because we don’t get anything out of it (use of the logo). This feigned indignation didn’t fly. I explained that we have many avenues for donating to our veterans – WWP is only one of many – and that just because someone decides not to support a group which he thinks has taken an anti-gun stand doesn’t mean that person isn’t going to continue to contribute — just to other groups.

Having been in the gun rights fight since before the passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968, I’ve seen a lot of changes. For decades I’ve said this fight really is a struggle for public opinion. We have made great strides. Forty years ago a majority of the U.S. population thought that handguns should be severely restricted. That’s not the case now. Through education and exposure the public recognize gun owners as “normal” people just like them. This is huge.

On the other hand, there is a major push to demonize and marginalize gun owners, gun makers, and the shooting sports. It is in this light that I see the WWP policy of prohibiting gun and knife makers from using the WWP logo. What are they telling the world?

Take the longer view. Ebay blocked firearms from being listed. Paypal blocks the use of its service for buying guns. Google blocks guns, dealers and makers from searches in its shopping service. We have reports of banks closing the accounts of gun makers simply on the basis that they won’t do business with the firearms industry.

Each of these is a very public way of saying “We don’t do business with ‘those people’.” Each is a way of saying that reasonable and responsible people should have nothing to do with the firearms business. We are being put into the same box as pornography.

Sure, the Wounded Warrior Project is only too happy to take our money. They “allow” shoots and hunts as fundraisers, but they don’t want their logo associated with us. They are saying in a very public way that they refuse to be associated with us.

Some have suggested that there is pressure from the board, from big donors, or from elsewhere, to prevent the use of the WWP logo on “weapons.” Honestly, I don’t know and don’t care. I just know it to be a continuation of the demonization of firearms, the firearms industry, and those who use guns responsibly.

There is no doubt that the WWP does good work. That’s why I’m left disgusted and sad at this whole affair. But I know that we never win when we shrug and put up with this kind of treatment.

Throughout last week we continued to hear from people and groups which have been rebuffed by WWP because the groups were involved in firearms. One significant donation from a company in our industry was returned because it came though a faith-based foundation.

One element of this rather sad tale has been gratifying. The firearms community responded instantly to this with questions and pressure — so much so that WWP recognized they had to go public to answer the charges. The connectivity of the gun rights movement through the internet made that possible. It has changed the game.

I had hoped that WWP would come to its senses. Once it became clear that the policy would not change, many identified and donated to other groups which help vets, and which are only too happy to be associated with guns, hunting and shooting. Last Sunday I had someone from marineparents.com on the radio show. Each week for the rest of the year, we’ll have various groups which help wounded veterans on the radio to help them get additional exposure.

On Gun Talk Radio I created a “No Shrug” policy. We will always speak up. No longer will we just shrug when faced with a distorted media report about guns. No longer will we just go about our business when a politician makes outrageous claims about gun owners.

No longer will we continue to give money to, or do business with, any outfit which in any way labels us as “undesirables.” To shrug and just go on is to not just accept the demonetization but it actually agrees with it and supports it.

No longer.

–Tom Gresham

About:In its 18th year of national syndication, Tom Gresham’s Gun Talk Radio airs live on Sundays from 2PM-5PM Eastern, and runs on more than 135 stations, plus on XM (Ch. 165) Satellite Radio. All Gun Talk shows can be downloaded as podcasts at guntalk's Podcast and Apple iTunes, or through one of the available Apps: the Gun Talk iPhone App, the Blackberry Podcast App, and the Gun Talk App for Android on Amazon. The Gun Talk Minute on XM also airs on XM 165, 166, 168 and Fox Sports every day throughout the week. More information is available at www.guntalk.com.



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Shame...


Nardizzi makes over $300,000 a year as the head of the organization.
 

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My view is the wwp helps a lot of vets. I also have not seen the wwp out there leading the gun control charge. Correct me if I am mistaken. I'd rather focus on the good that they do rather than on them not be advocates for the second amendment.

For me, I don't want to see some vets go without because the wwp does not embrace the second amendment.

There are other things in this life besides guns, and I am not a "one issue" person.
 

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PEF,
There are plenty of other organizations that do good things for our Veterans. I will not donate to one that is against the 2nd amendment.

Chris Kyle/FITCO Cares Foundation, Heroes Project for one.
 

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Mr. Gresham has gotten his patties in a wad because an organization declined his invitation to be on his show. The WWP reasoning seems to be that they don’t want to be involved with certain industries that may detract from their mission.

The firearms industry is involved in a heated national debate. WWP does not have a dog in that fight. They are focused on helping veterans and that is it. They are not anti 2nd Amendment, or anti gun, or pro gun control.

I think Mr. Gresham does a disservice to WWP because he personally feels rebuffed. It’s time for Mr. Gresham to put on his big boy pants to move along.

After he puts on his big boy pants he should look at his own website:

Playing Checkers at the Chess Board

I just got off the phone with a leader of a national "gun rights" group, and it was a conversation that left me shaking my head. No, I'm not going to give them any publicity here by listing the name, but you've probably gotten emails from them. For decades I've talked about people getting into the legislation game with the experience of a checkers player, and not understanding the game is actually 3D chess. The moves are complex, sometimes subtle, and while it's easy and quick to make enemies, it takes more work and more time to build friends and garner long-term support.

Sometimes, for example, you have to let legislators and Congress-folk who are with you vote against you if you already have the measure in question won. It's a sophisticated way of helping "your" politicians increase a base to help with the next election.
Sitting in the middle of the country and thinking that you are a player in D.C. is the height of hubris and naiveté -- a combo guaranteed to produce no results beyond a heightened sense of self-importance.

Choose wisely when directing your gun rights donations. Look at track records. What legislation have they passed? What court cases have they won?

With more and more people buying guns, and with increasing numbers of people wanting to support gun rights, there's money to be made in this arena. I don't begrudge someone trying to make a living. Would it be too demanding to ask of any group that wants your money that they offer more than just "we're not the NRA"?
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The WWP accepts donations, but doesn't put their logo on firearms or knives. And this makes them Anti-2A how?
 

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This is rather old news about the Wounded Warrior Project. They are just trying to stay away from political hot potatoes, not wanting to get accused endorsing or supporting anything that might do harm to their cause.
 

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Honestly just the part about not using the logo doesn't bother me as much as the following quote:

“While we appreciate the interest in having a WWP representative on your show on Veterans Day we are not able to participate in interviews or activities with media/organizations that are related to firearms,” said Ms. Coleman in her email.

Yes WWP does help our Veterans in need. I choose to support the ones who are not afraid to associate with people like me. While you could say they are not Anti Second Amendment. You would be hard pressed to say they are Pro.
 

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I would suggest that we should all review their annual financial statement. I have and it shows the complete picture, such as expenses that average about $70M consisting of salaries, travel, facilities etc. another area is the advisory board salaries $5M plus, staff travel expenses in the millions of dollars. Another area is investments in stocks etc $72M.

Bottom line, IMO, while doing a service for our wounded warriors a selected few staff members have become millionaires. The CEO salary alone is $320K.

I no longer contribute to the WWP. I contribute to the Fisher House Program
 

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We donate monthly to WWP and I'm not going to change that due to a dust up over gun logos. WWP does a lot of good and our servicemen/women need all the help they can get.

If I stopped donating to worthy causes every time I didn't agree with every single point, I probably wouldn't donate at all.
Even my church wouldn't get anything because I don't agree with all their stances on things. But that doesn't mean they don't do A LOT of good in most areas.
 

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I would suggest that we should all review their annual financial statement. I have and it shows the complete picture, such as expenses that average about $70M consisting of salaries, travel, facilities etc. another area is the advisory board salaries $5M plus, staff travel expenses in the millions of dollars. Another area is investments in stocks etc $72M.

Bottom line, IMO, while doing a service for our wounded warriors a selected few staff members have become millionaires. The CEO salary alone is $320K.

I no longer contribute to the WWP. I contribute to the Fisher House Program
That's interesting Chuck. I'll have to look into their expenses because that does make a difference. I don't know much about Fisher House but I'll look into that one too.

There's a web site that compares and contrasts charitable organizations but I can't remember the name of it. I think Dave Ramsey mentioned it on his show one time.
 

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Google Wounded Warrior Project Financial Score.
 

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Coleman’s explanation that guns are used in suicides, and suicide is a big issue for returning vets,
Guns don't make returning vets commit suicide. Their lack of a support system does. Would they rather have them hack themselves to death with a rusty spork? /sarcasm
 

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Well I know a few that WWP helped and I am glad as there families are to and every body has a choice to donate to who ever they wish. I chose my church, WWP and Salvation Army its not a lot but those are the three that I think really do help people. IMO I think we need to keep our eye on the ball and right now it's the 8 ball and I do not want to continue to be behind it.
 

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What riles me up is......If our government took care of our Veterans and service members correctly, there wouldn't be a need for Wounded Warrior Project.
 

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Groups Like Wound Warrior start off often as good groups with a just cause . But Sooner or latter the cash and the political power make the targets for Liberals to move in and take over. Soon they are nothing more than sham.
Look what has happened to the VA under Obama it should be renamed the ANTI -VA.
 

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Where exactly makes WWP anti 2A? The also do not want their logo on alcohol and other things. That does not mean they are against them. It means they do not want to promote them. There is a difference. There job is to not promote anything except what they were formed to do. Folks get upset if someone does not yell from the roof tops that they are Pro A.

It is a non profit organization that is trying to do good. There mission is not to promote or be against guns or anything. This is a case of folks outside of an organization trying to make something political when it is not.

If one does not want to give to WWP because of how they manage their finances that is one thing. But to label them as anti 2A imo is a falsehood.
 
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