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Hi to all i just picked up a xd-s 9mm today and they had some 9mm ammo held back for people that buy a new gun but would only let you get one box of fmj then you could get all the hollow points you want that was on the shelf. So after doing somethings around the house i grabbed the 50 box and went to a friends house to shoot. When i got to his house he gave me two 50 boxes of fmj and one box of Winchester ranger hollow points that was +p+. Is the +p+ safe to shoot in this gun i wont be shooting it just maybe 4 rounds then save the rest for concealed carry in the winter if i carry this gun?

My first few shots was to the left and low witch is kinda normal for a right handed person that doesnt shoot alot but every body is different the very next clip i put 5 out of 7 in the center of the head on the target. Seeing as how some ammo is still hard to find around here i only shot the one 50 box. My buddy shot 3 clips and i shot the rest. I have a xdm 40 that i love but i think its gonna take the back seat to the xds i thought it was a very nice shooting gun and had very low recoil and cant wait to find more ammo so i can shoot it some more. I know some people dont like the xd's but i think i am becoming a fan boy if my wallet can handle my wants or the stop putting out new guns

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Best to ask Springfield.

They told me it's OK in my XD-SC , only didn't suggest shooting 4-5,000 rds of it thru the gun .... excessive wear, etc. XD-S is a different design though....
 

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Hi to all i just picked up a xd-s 9mm today and they had some 9mm ammo held back for people that buy a new gun but would only let you get one box of fmj then you could get all the hollow points you want that was on the shelf. So after doing somethings around the house i grabbed the 50 box and went to a friends house to shoot. When i got to his house he gave me two 50 boxes of fmj and one box of Winchester ranger hollow points that was +p+. Is the +p+ safe to shoot in this gun i wont be shooting it just maybe 4 rounds then save the rest for concealed carry in the winter if i carry this gun?

My first few shots was to the left and low witch is kinda normal for a right handed person that doesnt shoot alot but every body is different the very next clip i put 5 out of 7 in the center of the head on the target. Seeing as how some ammo is still hard to find around here i only shot the one 50 box. My buddy shot 3 clips and i shot the rest. I have a xdm 40 that i love but i think its gonna take the back seat to the xds i thought it was a very nice shooting gun and had very low recoil and cant wait to find more ammo so i can shoot it some more. I know some people dont like the xd's but i think i am becoming a fan boy if my wallet can handle my wants or the stop putting out new guns

Thanks for your help in advance
What does it say in the manual that came with your gun? If in doubt, call the manufacturer and ask them.
 

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Problem is, there is no industry standard for +P+ so the pressure really depends on who loaded it. I won't shoot it in my guns; with modern bullets I don't think it's necessary.
 
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Problem is, there is no industry standard for +P+ so the pressure really depends on who loaded it. I won't shoot it in my guns; with modern bullets I don't think it's necessary.
It was a free box of ammo that I didn't have and can't find so I took it I am not at a lose if I can't shot it but that will make me get another 9mm
 

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Problem is, there is no industry standard for +P+ so the pressure really depends on who loaded it. I won't shoot it in my guns; with modern bullets I don't think it's necessary.
this ^^^^^^^^

Also, the whole "ammo for gun buyers only" line is a bunch of BS........... I would prob find a new LGS.
 

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No problem +P because this is a shorter barrel and your loosing a good 100fps anyway. Which is not a bad thing in 9mm really. I think you'll be amazed at the penetration, expansion and damned near explosive results of the Hornady Critical DUTY +P ammo. Try to find some of it. It feeds like a dream and packs an amazing punch for a 137gr bullet. I have tested it and in many ways out performs my same tests with 45ACP +P in the same model gun. You want to do some minor testing with ammos you decide on. Unlike what many people say, the ammo type makes a huge difference. Even more so than the specific caliber. With the right choices a 9mm can actually outperform calibers people consider superior. The Critical Duty also tests well for penetrating windshields and barriers with no deflection. The Critical Defense version they sell doesn't penetrate as much. As long as you don't shoot hundreds of +P and just carry it, perform periodic tests and flush your supply, you wont have any issues with any name brand +P. I reload and test to the limits all the time and they have special powder blends and tricks to deliver those perfect loads. Good luck, shoot with confidence. Although you may realize your hits are a lot better with regular loads. That's a decision you need to make based on the results of your shooting. Most shootings are under 21 feet and at those distances you're going to get your hits if you are a half assed decent shooter.

Far from scientific this video shows how DEVASTATING the 9mm +P Hornady ammo can be compared to a very hot 45ACP load.
Bullet testing 45ACP gold dot SB and 9mm Hornady Critical Duty - YouTube

You'll see the 9mm Critical Duty does deliver a ton of energy on the first bottle and literally explodes it, at the same time it blows through all four jugs and probably could have gone through more. See how the gold dot 45ACP only makes it through 2 bottles. Keep in mind the 9mm was fired from a tiny 9mm with less than 3" barrel too. And this ammo is very easy to shoot from the small gun too. They really worked some magic on their load to perform this way.

I would lean more toward the Critical Duty or penetration carrying in the city, parking garages, autos. More toward the Critical Defense in the home where I want to lean more toward expansion and less wall penetration. You don't want to be defending yourself through auto bodies and windshields with something that delivers all the energy immediately and can't get through to the bad guy.
 

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A box won't hurt, but like others said, a steady diet will accelerate wear.

this ^^^^^^^^

Also, the whole "ammo for gun buyers only" line is a bunch of BS........... I would prob find a new LGS.
It's about perspective. Imagine buying a gun you can't find ammo to shoot? If I buy a gun that's a caliber I don't currently own, there's no way I should have "stocked up" before the current situation. I've been shooting 9mm for years, so there's no excuse for me not to have a decent supply. I would have no one to blame but myself. But if I go out and buy new caliber that I didn't plan on owning, I'd like to have some ammo.

Some people are under the impression that gun stores are doing this to boost gun sales, but let's be serious for a moment. Who is going to buy a gun JUST to be able to buy ammo? It's a service they're providing and I like the policy. A few boxes in the back of the store reserved for people who are actually going to shoot it instead of horde/stockpile/flip online for more money/etc isn't causing or making the ammo shortage any worse.
 

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It was a free box of ammo that I didn't have and can't find so I took it I am not at a lose if I can't shot it but that will make me get another 9mm
Selling your gun because the manufacturer doesnt recommend +P+ ammo is a bad idea, and heres why. Because the +P+ has no industry standard, I think you will be hard pressed to find one that will say use it, due to possible warranty concerns from greatly increased wear and stress. Also, the voliciy and power gains are IMO nominal compared the the increase in felt recoil, and decrease in shootability that generally comes with increased pressure loads. All the power in the world is for naught if you cant shoot it accurately. The increased cost is not worth the performance gains either. Add in the fact that that +p, and especially +P+ ammo, is incredibly hard on any gun, and you have a hole handful of good reason NOT to use it. If it is your cup of tea, drink upo....but good ole 9mm standard velocity with a good bullet has put BG's six feet under for many years, and will continue to do so for many more.
 
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A box won't hurt, but like others said, a steady diet will accelerate wear.



It's about perspective. Imagine buying a gun you can't find ammo to shoot? If I buy a gun that's a caliber I don't currently own, there's no way I should have "stocked up" before the current situation. I've been shooting 9mm for years, so there's no excuse for me not to have a decent supply. I would have no one to blame but myself. But if I go out and buy new caliber that I didn't plan on owning, I'd like to have some ammo.

Some people are under the impression that gun stores are doing this to boost gun sales, but let's be serious for a moment. Who is going to buy a gun JUST to be able to buy ammo? It's a service they're providing and I like the policy. A few boxes in the back of the store reserved for people who are actually going to shoot it instead of horde/stockpile/flip online for more money/etc isn't causing or making the ammo shortage any worse.
That is a good point and I agree with you. My issue with it is when they have a stack of ammo that I need and I cant get it because of this. The last time it happened, the LGS had a very healthy supply of ammo but would not sell it.
 

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From what I've experienced the only guns I own that specifically say +P on the barrel are 38 special revolvers. I think this is because so many people were tempted to shoot +P 38's through the older style 38 special guns so the industry stamped +P on the newer generation of 38 revolvers to make it more clear. In many cases I have called the manufacturers who will only state they support SAMMI specs or they might say their gun will handle +P but it's harder on the gun. Anytime you shoot at the highest limits of a gun's pressure ceiling you'll potentially have more issues. In this case the XDs is heavy duty and has a match barrel of the highest quality. Not likely to have any flaws etc. I think I'm saying the same thing as Taurahe. If the primers remain rounded on the edge and not flattening out there's probably little chance of a load causing harm to your gun. Obviously I would stick with guns made in the 90s and 2000s. I wouldn't fire +P in guns made before the ammo was on the market.
 

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As far as I know, the only manufacturer who specifically states that +p+ is ok and will not violate warranty is HK. But, as others have said, most high quality guns can take +p+, just not a steady diet of the stuff. My carry ammo is Winchester Ranger 9mm +p+ and I have no problem with it in guns from HK, S&W or Kahr
 

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+P+ ammunition is a waste of money and powder in a barrel shorter than 4.5"! The ammo was designed for a "Duty" barrel 5" +!

In the late evening take XDs out and shoot it in low light and it will look like a flame thrower! That the additional powder burning outside the barrel and your V is somewhere in between a standard load and +P due to 3.3" barrel! :yup: If you're going to shoot +P then make sure you get the low flash loads - Speer Gold Dots.

Of course most SD events are in low or no light so at least you'll be able to light up the area you're standing in which can only help the BG when they need to ID you in court! :blink:
 

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Selling your gun because the manufacturer doesnt recommend +P+ ammo is a bad idea, and heres why. Because the +P+ has no industry standard, I think you will be hard pressed to find one that will say use it, due to possible warranty concerns from greatly increased wear and stress. Also, the voliciy and power gains are IMO nominal compared the the increase in felt recoil, and decrease in shootability that generally comes with increased pressure loads. All the power in the world is for naught if you cant shoot it accurately. The increased cost is not worth the performance gains either. Add in the fact that that +p, and especially +P+ ammo, is incredibly hard on any gun, and you have a hole handful of good reason NOT to use it. If it is your cup of tea, drink upo....but good ole 9mm standard velocity with a good bullet has put BG's six feet under for many years, and will continue to do so for many more.
Taurahe is spot on. If a person feels that just have to have the velocity increase of a +P+ 9mm then they need to buy a 357 Sig. A person needs to also keep in mind that the increase in the rounds velocity also increase the energy and velocity of the slide. This in turn not only increases felt recoil but also accelerates slide wear and places higher stress levels on parts. Pushing the 9mm to this performance level is, in my opinion, asking to much from the round and the platforms it fires from. I would much rather be able to execute a classic Failure Drill and actually hit with all 3 rounds of good +P Golden Sabers or Gold Dots, as opposed to missing 1-2 rounds of +P+ because of recoil impulse.
 
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Selling your gun because the manufacturer doesnt recommend +P+ ammo is a bad idea, and heres why. Because the +P+ has no industry standard, I think you will be hard pressed to find one that will say use it, due to possible warranty concerns from greatly increased wear and stress. Also, the voliciy and power gains are IMO nominal compared the the increase in felt recoil, and decrease in shootability that generally comes with increased pressure loads. All the power in the world is for naught if you cant shoot it accurately. The increased cost is not worth the performance gains either. Add in the fact that that +p, and especially +P+ ammo, is incredibly hard on any gun, and you have a hole handful of good reason NOT to use it. If it is your cup of tea, drink upo....but good ole 9mm standard velocity with a good bullet has put BG's six feet under for many years, and will continue to do so for many more.
I am not gonna sell my gun i was just gonna get another gun that i could use the +p+ in sorry for the confusion. So far i love the xds and feel very lucky that i was able to get one. They only got 2 in and i got the last one and it was the first 2 thst they have seen
 

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Ok i just called springfield and they said the gun would handle the +p+ it might sting my hand but the gun would handle it thanks for the help and info
 

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I'd like to know how Springfield has determined their gun will remain safe when they can't know pressures involved.

GeorgiaShooter, you are referring to normal +P rounds; this discussion is about +P+.
 

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I'd like to know how Springfield has determined their gun will remain safe when they can't know pressures involved.

GeorgiaShooter, you are referring to normal +P rounds; this discussion is about +P+.
They guy i talked to said he shot the same exact rounds through his and had no problems except for a sore hand from the extra recoil in a small gun he also stated that they can handle any 9mm ammo on the market. As i stated before it was a free box of hollow points that i could not get at the time so i took them not that thats what i want to carry it was just something to have until i could get what i carry in my other guns witch is critical defence and critical duty
 

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Problem is, there is no industry standard for +P+ so the pressure really depends on who loaded it. I won't shoot it in my guns; with modern bullets I don't think it's necessary.
i'm not an expert on this stuff, but, what he said. the juice ain't worth the squeeze.
 
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