Anyone seen this ammo? I found some at gunbroker and it clearly states HST on the box 180gr.
What's the deal with it?
What's the deal with it?
The casings are plain brass, no nickle coating.When big LE agencies buy large quantities of ammunition under GSA contract pricing, the get the product in plain-Jane packaging... The colorful boxes actually cost money to print. Sometimes agencies over-order or even try to recoup some costs by selling their overstock to wholesalers and that is how it winds up back on the civilian market.
Same HST ammunition in a vanilla box.
So I was looking at a box of this today but didn't buy it because usually HST is nickle plated and I was confused as to what it was.The casings are plain brass, no nickle coating.
Where did you pull that from? Failed to meet spec of the order, not Federal's spec or they would not put it out.Good for the range. Not suitable for defensive purposes.
what else is a JHP for? :wave:i would email federal and ask them if its suitable for duty use.
FWIW, after checking all of the product information from ATK that I have, was unable to locate anything labeled "XM40HC". Since we're always looking for something better, I would be interested in the specs on the load that you are referring to.It's amazing the nonsense that floats around the Internet as fact.
XM40HC is the standard designation for the LE load. LE contracts are generally packaged in generic packaging.
They can't sell it if it doesn't work. Federal wouldn't want to risk bad press from agencies that have large orders from them.Easy fellas! Since the contract specifications are unknown to me I'm never sure just which spec was not met was. It could be cosmetic such as the lack of nickel plating on the case, the type of sealant on the primers or it could be something more important such as a variation in the bullet's jacket. Whatever the reason for the X designation, I would not use it as defensive/offensive/duty/service ammo. I will happily use it at the range any time. This is is from the guy that inspects each round in each box of ammo put into a defensive role. This includes visual inspection as well as determination of the average weight of the round, then weighing of each individual round. Ok, I'm a freak about this stuff but It decreases the chances of getting bad ammo when it's needed the most.
You know what LIABILITY is? No? Let me explain it. Lets say they shoot it, and someone gets hurt they will check the ammo. If it is found to be over spec BY ANY MARGIN (lets say 3fps) then they have a fit.sure they can, the X means its a second as in X outs, sold @ a discount for training only.
infact the XM193 is not even fit for training by the military as that is all m193 is used for.