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OK - law of averages - factory ammo and squib - VERY unlikely. Almost impossible.

I however have had contact over the years with Mr Murphy - and know that his plan is to screw up anything you do - to the max :biggrin:

Let us assume - for discussion' sake - that your first (defensive) shot thru a semi - is a squib and you do actually realize it. You do not (again thx to Murphy) have a BUG this day.

WTH do you do??? In my book I am screwed, royally!!

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Yep you screwed.. Course you could rack it hope it chambers and take the chance of shooting it and hope it shoots the first bullet out ... course guns gonna blow up at that point..

Or unless you are suign tactile tupperware you can turn it grab muzzle and pistol whip the bad gun ... Only choices

other than run like heck screaming like a little Girl
 

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screaming like a little Girl
Hahaha - yep - only option maybe - psyche out the BG long enough to get the heck outa Dodge! LOL :biggrin:
 

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Well if I've presented a firearm and fired it, odds are excellent that it's either him or me and there's no escape.

I go after him with my knife or my bare hands even though I may be in for some hurting, because if I don't try I have no chance at all.
 

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Hummmmmmmmmm...????

You done went and dooed it to me. :confused:

I guess doing a lightning fast "field strip" & knocking that bullet through the barrel with a Bic Pen...is absolutely out of the question? :rofl:

Seriously...With a Colt 1911 ~ I would take careful aim and shoot again & (come what may) risk the "kaboom" & likely bulged barrel.
After that (I guess) - I would just get ready to use whatever remains of that pistol as an emergency club.

Once Again.......GOOD THREAD! P95Carry!
 

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I'd shoot the sucker.

Ive seen too many squibs that did nothing more than bulge the barrel. Some of them werent even noticable unless you help it up against the light. Others have a noticable bulge but it seems not to affect the accuracy at all.

Of course you could trash the barrel and the gun. If I'm in the postition where I'm drawing and firing on someone, a broke gun will be the least of my worries. Im taking the chance that he's gonna get hit with 2 bullets from the same shot instead of one. What have ya got to lose ?
 

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I'm 100% With HotGuns

I'll take the possible metal fragments al la numb hand.
And if you live through the encounter then you have great kaboom photos to post on the web. :biggrin:
 

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Having had men on the business end of a firearm in the past, I believe I would only notice a failure to fire. Do the drill and fire again. I could only hope that the firing of the gun gives the BG some pause. If we have come to that point, are toe to toe and the gun doesn't continue going bang it's a rock or club anyway.

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I, in fact had a hang fire the other day during a match, using factory Magtech ammo. Not a squib load mind you, but a failure to fire none-the-less with factory ammo. I took the offending round off to another bay after the course of fire was complete and hit it 3 more time with no effect, just a dead round of ammo.
I contacted Magtech and was told they would explore the ammo lot and get back to me, but so far I have heard nothing.
 

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P95Carry said:
Let us assume - for discussion' sake - that your first (defensive) shot thru a semi - is a squib and you do actually realize it. You do not (again thx to Murphy) have a BUG this day.

WTH do you do??? In my book I am screwed, royally!!
You've got a Sig. They passed the military testing for handling squib loads.

Fire again.
 

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You know this thread made me think of something. I have no idea how any of my guns would react if I fired after a squib therefore I simply assumed they would not function if that happened. I have no clue if there's any kind of testing or rating for them in this regard.

Shame on me I don't know my weapons. :frown:
 

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I'd RTB because in a gunfight you can't hear a squib remember? Auditory exclusion and all, not to mention having to use your elbow to pull the trigger because your "fine" motor skills are now gone. :king: :biggrin:
 

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You've got a Sig. They passed the military testing for handling squib loads.

Fire again.
That's news (good news!) to me, could/would you elaborate on that just a bit? I.e. what caliber, what guns, how'd they test for that?

And I guess you're going to tell us not to try this test at home???

Thanks!
 

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I'm not sure I'd notice a squib at all in the heat of the situation, or even if I did, my finger would've pulled the trigger again by that time anyway.

I figure if it kabooms and it didn't scare the heck outta the bad guy, I'd have a nice splintery bludgeoning tool to use on him (if I have hands left to wield it with)! :biggrin:

I'd like to know more about the military testing with squibs, too.
 

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In reality, I'd probably miss the fact that it was a squib and only notice that I didn't get the desired result. I'd probably do a tap-rack drill and fire again, if I thought I had the time and space; otherwise, I'd probably be shifting to my next layer of defense.
 

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Check out the vid clips, from Paul Castle's Sabre Tac. Training- FTF, followed by FTC (failure to clear), followed by clubbing the target.(The "Reaction" pic) :biggrin:
http://www.sabretactical.com/C_A_R_/c_a_r_.html
Works for me! The main reason I sold my Glocks & now have "real-steel"- a grown man can "flex" the slide off a Glock, with serious pounding. You may bend your 1911 or BHP, but you won't be stuck holding a 4oz frame, trying to fend someone off. :chairshot
 

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Check out the vid clips, from Paul Castle's Sabre Tac. Training- FTF, followed by FTC (failure to clear), followed by clubbing the target. :biggrin:

Works for me! The main reason I sold my Glocks & now have "real-steel"- a grown man can "flex" the slide off a Glock, with serious pounding. You may bend your 1911 or BHP, but you won't be stuck holding a 4oz frame, trying to fend someone off. :chairshot
I'm really, really, hoping rfurtkamp is correct, "You've got a Sig. They passed the military testing for handling squib loads. Fire again.". That's what I'd want to do. I'm not too keen on using the gun as an impact weapon with an assailant or assailants that are younger, stronger, tougher, and faster than me. There seem to be more guys like that every year.
 

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With an auto, if you attempt to fire a second round and the barrel bulges, that's it. The slide can no longer reciprocate with a bulged barrel.
This scenario is an excellent argument for a back-up gun, and is one of the reasons I carry a BUG every day.
 

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That is True. What if the bulge were just forward of the chamber?
And if you could somehow get another round in the chamber & shot that then the bulge would blow the barrel bushing right out of the front of the slide & then FOR SURE that would be it. :dead:
 

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I'm all for BUGs, but I think the times will be rare, especially for a civilian, that a BUG would make a difference. I readily admit the advantage of a BUG is situational dependent, but it seems to me that if the main gun goes poof when we needed it to go bang, the fight is just about over. We just lost most of any advantage we had.

In order for a BUG to "carry the day" a whole bunch of stuff has to go our way. First, since our main gun just went poof, we would have to immediately recognize that the gun didn't do something right. Then we have to decide whether to do an immediate response drill or discard the gun and go for the BUG. Either, likely takes more time than we have.

I think once we realize the gun went poof, if we're still alive, it may be better to make distance and time by escaping, HTH attack, or use the gun as an impact weapon to gain some time/position advantage, then we might can grab the BUG.

Due to circumstances beyond my control, BUGs are a problem for me to carry, although I strongly believe in them.
 
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