Can we send our brothers in Colorado ammo care packages?
Y'all are facing some big time issues up there.

 

Another good reason to start reloading your own ammo. I started in 1972, started casting bullets in 1973. Still have a few firearms between 30 and 50 years old that have never been fired with factory ammo.

A couple hundred bucks will cover the basics to get you started; single-stage press, dies, scale, powder measure. A good reloading manual is great, but between websites and you-tube tutorials the basics can be mastered in a very short time. After that your ammo costs will drop by 50% or more. Additional goodies can be added here and there as personal needs and preferences firm up for you.

The initial investment will be completely returned in cost savings over the first several weeks, perhaps a few months.

Even at today's component costs (powder, primers) I regularly crank out thousands of rounds of common handgun calibers in the range of $6 per box (home-cast bullets). I doubt that I have purchased new factory ammo for at least 15 years or more. When adding a new caliber I always order a set of dies and a bullet mold or two, and start sourcing new or once-fired cases.

Taxes? We don't pay no taxes! We don't need no stinking taxes!

 

I assume the special tax will also include reloading supplies. but i may be wrong.

 

What do you expect with all those liberal Californians moving there.

 

Of course, the anti-RKBA types always attempt to trot out stuff like this. In this case, it's under the baseless, mistaken impression that somehow non-criminals are the cause of the death and destruction that criminals do, and that somehow soaking the upstanding solves anything. But, it's what such people do. Bless their thieving hearts.

Imagine trying this crap with speech, placing a "words" tax upon speech. I seriously doubt that SCOTUS would tolerate any such thing. But with the RKBA it's allowed. Pathetic.

What do you expect with all those liberal Californians moving there.

Been happening for a very, very long time.

In the early 1970s there were bumper stickers in CO that warned: "Don't Californicate Colorado." They smelled the stink of it back then, knowing what was coming.

 

Wonder what the black market for guns and ammo is going to be like there.

 

Likely to be better than ever. Colorado passed background check laws in 2013 requiring private sales go through a FFL to comply, but I suspect that thousands of private exchanges take place with a wink and a nod.

Politicians seem to forget that the first serious challenge to our new federal government was brought about by taxes. The Whiskey Rebellion took place during the George Washington presidency, during the Articles of Confederation, before the Constitutional Convention of 1789.

The Prohibition years barely made a dent in liquor production, sales, or smuggling and served primarily to help organized crime become a major factor in American life. Both houses of congress maintained fully stocked bars for members and guests. Cruise ships took charter trips just outside US territorial waters for the well-heeled elite. The Kennedy family dynasty was built largely on smuggling whiskey into the country.

 

If I remember correctly, previous ruling have stopped the taxing of guns (and gun stuff) to pay for programs that aren't clearly related to gun sales since the Right to Keep and Bear arms is a constitutionally protected right. That is, CA can have an excise tax on gun sales to pay for gun violence programs but such a tax is unconstitutional if they use the revenue to pay for road work- the government can't put a special burden on gun sales to pay for a general good.

Proposition KK attempts to pay for all sorts of things (mental health support for veterans who have exhausted their federal benefits) , a few of which MAY have anything to do with guns so this law will be challenged and will likely either be gutted or completely thrown out.

 

God I hope so.

 

Glad I don't live out West. I thought they were supposed to be the 'Wild, Wild, West?' Guess not!

 

Our Virginia ain't getting any better. Look at the trash that got re-elected. Virginia continues to slide into the blue anti-firearms zone.

 

maybe they ought to pass and excise tax on all electric vehicles sold......that way they can cover the strain of electric vehicles and their impact......auto accidents, car fires, etc.....

 

At least those are related (cause & effect). This law funds things that have nothing to do with what's being taxed- like youth mental health.

 

When I was growing-up in the 80's and 90's, Colorado was still pleasingly purple on most issues. The early 00's saw us get a excellent "shall issue" permit systems, well ahead of some now "gun friendly" states. In the '04 to '12 period, we had some of the best gun laws in the country, only tainted by a BGC requirement for gun shows, which was easily coordinated by the venue/promoter, and a supposed under 18 handgun restriction.

All of the changed with the 2012 election. In the aftermath of the Aurora Theater incident, the Triple-D took hold and did the first mag restrictions. The election also legalized pot and started mass entry of "those types of people", a population that is not known for hard 2A support.

It's sad and a warning to other states. Now we seem to be becoming a "refuge" for even more progressive types.

 

Didn't SCOTUS previously shoot down attempts to tax a constitutional right, on firearms included?

 

I think so but I know that the IL Supreme Court threw out a similar tax based on uniformity- that the burden (tax) on the exercise of a right has to directly relate to what the legislation is trying to do with the revenue. Hypothetically, using the tax from gun sales to fund a safe storage program would pass but using that revenue to pay for school lunches would not.

I believe that a SCOTUS case restricted taxing the exercise of a right to pay for a general good (taxing gun buyers to pay for a general crime prevention program)- which would also be on point.

 

Sounds like maybe an opportunity for some wise citizens of Colorado to get together and drive to another state and order MASSIVE quantities of ammo and bring 'em back home. Buying in bulk is much cheaper in the long run than going to a LGS and just buying a box of ammo. Least that is what I do here in Texas. I buy components by the thousand lots.

 

Sort of off topic.
I don't know how this is with other states but, in PA. we get an automatic 6% state sales tax tacked on to whatever we buy on line though not on food items.
Like on eBay, Walmart, Amazon etc.
Just FYI.

 

We pay sales tax on online purchases here in Texas.

 

When I move to Wyoming I will just open an ammo store on the border.

 

Good! I’m only an hour away from Cheyenne! You’d get lots of customers!👍

 

All extra taxes on anything firearm-related seem no different than a poll tax at election time. Such taxes clearly infringe on the right to firearms and I would guess all of said taxation schemes have Democrats as sponsors and supporters.

 

All we need is someone in CO to challenge it successfully in court.

 

Amazing how few people truly understand economics.

All of these buy elsewhere - stock up in another state activities are a double whammy on CO economics. Not only are they not getting the sales but they're not even getting any sales tax, much less an excise tax. Cigarettes, ammo .... they're literally shooting themselves in the foot - no pun intended - by driving so many people to buy so much stuff in some other state.

 

That's what's happened with Seattle's tax on guns and stuff. Businesses moved outside the city limits or just closed. So they haven't gotten anywhere near the projected "income", and in fact lost a lot of regular sales tax, and lost some jobs.

NRA-ILA | Seattle’s Gun Tax: A Textbook Case on the Law of Inverse Consequences

The law of inverse or unintended consequences refers to outcomes that are the reverse of the planned or expected results. As described in another context, “the law of unintended consequences could create a perverse effect contrary to what was originally intended and ultimately making the problem...

www.nraila.org

 

In Colorado we pay sales tax on online orders.

 

Everybody does now, actually; if a product is coming to your state from another state the sales tax has to be collected and most online vendors don't like having to bifurcate one sales destination from another so everyone pays sales tax on online goods.

 

and I have been seeing more Colorado license plates in Orlando the last year. Colorado has now become the new New Yuck. Conservatives are bailing out of there in droves. I left Denver over 30 years ago as the California refugees flooded in after the huge earth quake of 1989. It was a very cool place to live.....not so much now.

 

What they are doing is making firearm ownership so expensive that people can't afford them. They are doing it in this state also. The end result is that law abiding lower middle class and under can't buy guns or ammo. So the only ones who can afford firearms and ammo would be the upper middle class and up who according to these demlibs would be mostly white supremisists. So who are the racists now eh?

 

So the only ones who can afford firearms and ammo would be the upper middle class and up...

And the criminals, steal what they want

 

There should be no taxes on guns or ammo as they are protected by the 2nd Amendment. Taxes are an infringement akin to a poll tax, ie paying the government for a right.

 

There is a gun store on the outskirts of Colorado Springs (just north of the airport) that is legally outside the city so it's taxed by El Paso County rather than by the city. They actively advertise that their sales are subject to the county tax rate of 5.13% rather than the city tax rate of 8.25% and this advertising apparently is successful at drawing people to their store- including me (it's not the most convenient store for where I live but the 3% lower tax makes the trip worth it depending on what I'm buying).

Once this 6.5% excise tax gets added on top of either rate, suddenly figuring out how to buy everything but the serialized receiver with out any of those taxes becomes worth the hassle of figuring out how to pay no taxes on stuff (out of state purchases, getting things shipped to friends that live on base, etc).

It's sad that a great many people don't understand that more people will figure out how to avoid paying taxes at all as taxes go up- in this case, this tax increase will most likely just mean that local governments tax revenues from guns/ammo taxes will go down.

 

It was never intended to reduce crime, it was intended to make owning guns too expensive for the general law abiding public public and to stuff themselves with tax money. If they had any interest whatsoever in reducing gun violence then they would prosecute violent offenders and throw them in prison.

What they are doing is making firearm ownership so expensive that people can't afford them. They are doing it in this state also. The end result is that law abiding lower middle class and under can't buy guns or ammo. So the only ones who can afford firearms and ammo would be the upper middle class and up who according to these demlibs would be mostly white supremisists. So who are the racists now eh?

^^^^^^^^Both of these^^^^^^

Same thing with tobacco and alcohol.
If, IF they banned the sale and use of it, look at all the money they'd "lose".
This is why Casinos/on line gambling and marijuana have taken off almost everywhere.
TAXES TAXES TAXES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the criminals, steal what they want

Even rotten politicians know this, but couldn't care less about theft, or what happens to us.

That is still a win in the eyes of the anti-gunners.

One piece at a time.
One Brick at a time.
One drop at a time.

 

1. That's what happens when hippies take power
2. Perhaps the tax is to help pay for the Venezuelan gangs ammunition

Another beautiful state that the DemoNcrats are setting about to destroy!

 

Where Colorado goes, New Mexico will soon follow. We remain a blue state and our laws and regulations regarding gun ownership will become more imperiled with every new state legislature convening. The land of enchantment is becoming the the land of disenchantment.

 

Can anyone explain how this is legal? On top of the federal taxes for firearm purchases (10% or so), and now this (6.5%), Colorado has effectively created a poll tax that directly impacts Coloradans ability to exercise their God given right to keep and bear arms.

Unfortunately, these high taxes will have a negative impact on small gun shops who will be unable to compete with the larger outfits. Eventually they will shutter. And that is exactly what these sick demons in Colorado want.

 

I'm pretty sure it's not legal. In the past the courts have looked a similar taxes and thrown them out when the revenue isn't directed explicitly at off setting the harm the tax relates to. The states can't tax a specific legal activity (ie purchasing guns) to pay for general public services (ie schools). This law has that problem, however, it needs to be challenged and that takes $$$$.

 

Time to funnel more dollars into pro-2A groups. It is the only way to fight these sick demons.