New look, same hard-to-watch guy.

 

So you didn't see the thugs grab the shop owners gun???

 

I find that most of his videos are prime examples of stupid is as stupid does. I'd like to think members here are a tad smarter.

 

This^^^^^^^^^^
Stupid shop owner took it on himself to get his pound of flesh. So they stole some shoes a few days before? Take a picture and call the cops, "Hey, those shoplifters I reported last week? They're across the street from my shop right now."

 

Wow, gun grabs aren't just for the tacticool guys.

 

I watch a video where some thug is robbing a guy in Dallas and the victim cooperated and gave up his phone and wallet and everything but then the thug started pushing the victim around he got the idea that the thug was going to shoot him so he drew and shot the thug.
I have been thinking that if I am ever being robbed by an armed robber that I would be farther ahead to draw before the robber finds my gun.

 

I watched it. I learned again to always CANT.
There seems to me a recurring background in the videos on this channel. They always take place in a place with actors who display no shreds of humanity . I don’t believe displaying a pistol in my back pocket deters people who have no fear of weakness.

 

Oh yea, Correa's vids are painful to watch. Very rarely bother to watch the whole thing. If I do watch, it is fast forward to the incident and then turn him off.

 

By the time I figure out the OODA loop, I'd be dead.

 

When it's time to shoot, shoot! Don't analyze.

 

It is before you need to shoot!!! Like the guy in the film... he saw them and could have called the cops and filmed from a distance.. he got close, he got tied up working his camera, and let them close the distance.

 

What you are saying is similar to watching hunting videos can help one be a better hunter. It's not how life actually works.

The OODA loop philosophy is grounded in actual decision making processes, but takes some things out of context.

At the end of the day, nothing beats real life experience. When I started hunting at 13 I was a horrible shot. The adrenaline rush crippled me. What made me a better shooter was an old trick of my family's. My Dad put me in a stand over a corn pile and had me shoot squirrels. The squirrels went from being safe to being food over time. I learned to control the adrenaline rush and use it to kill my prey. When in the woods, I am a confident and skilled predator.

How will I fare in a deadly human encounter? No clue. Hopefully I will never need to find out.

So going to school, which is not a real life experience, is useless?? Going to a boxing school or Dojo is useless? Taking FoF classes is useless??

And deadly confrontations.. you gonna do that all the time to 'gain experience'??? Plenty of places in Houston to test that out.

So if you are not gonna get into fights/shootings to get your 'experience' where are you gonna get it???

Oh yea, training.. Which is what the OODA is all about. Understanding your thought process and your opponents and finding ways to quicken your abilities and widen your knowledge while suppressing your opponents. And things like real life encounters caught on surveillance films are places to learn and understand.

Will watching porn make someone a more accomplished lover, or just a voyeur?

Maybe for you... how much you watch?

Clearly you don’t understand that I just disagree. Sorry you’re so dogmatic about OODA that you can’t handle that.

Oh... you just disagree... but can't take any disagreement here.. Cleary you can't handle that...

 

So going to school, which is not a real life experience, is useless?? Going to a boxing school or Dojo is useless? Taking FoF classes is useless??

And deadly confrontations.. you gonna do that all the time to 'gain experience'??? Plenty of places in Houston to test that out.

So if you are not gonna get into fights/shootings to get your 'experience' where are you gonna get it???

Oh yea, training.. Which is what the OODA is all about. Understanding your thought process and your opponents and finding ways to quicken your abilities and widen your knowledge while suppressing your opponents. And things like real life encounters caught on surveillance films are places to learn and understand.



Maybe for you... how much you watch?




Oh... you just disagree... but can't take any disagreement here.. Cleary you can't handle that...

You are making up a bunch of illogical straw man arguments that are completely false in my case. And I can take disagreement. But I have as much experience with OODA-applicable situations as you do, mine in actual tactical aviation, I am well read up on OODA and I have a right to have my own opinion about it. And mine disagrees with yours. End of story. I am out of this discussion. Carry on.

Oh, and welcome to my Ignore List on this forum.

 

The concept of the OODA loop is a phycological framework used to explain the thought process of action and reaction and how it can be used to become more effective in our reactions.
In other words, it is a classroom tool.

In the OP video the shop owner blew it as soon as he decided to play cop instead of calling them. Once he acted on that first unwise decision, the rest was pretty much predictable.

 

So going to school, which is not a real life experience, is useless??

Education is a different matter altogether. It's not exactly a one size fits all answer. The trades classes are hands on. History classes can't exactly be hands on...

So if you are not gonna get into fights/shootings to get your 'experience' where are you gonna get it???

Training only goes so far. At the end of the day doing some things personally is the only way we learn. There are plenty of people who have martial arts training who have said their training helped, and hurt, them in their first fights with no rules.

You just have to hope you don't get injured or dead in such cases.

 

Education is a different matter altogether. It's not exactly a one size fits all answer. The trades classes are hands on. History classes can't exactly be hands on...


Training only goes so far. At the end of the day doing some things personally is the only way we learn. There are plenty of people who have martial arts training who have said their training helped, and hurt, them in their first fights with no rules.

You just have to hope you don't get injured or dead in such cases.

Well there are no guarantees in life. But if one does not train, like that guy in the tape, you will be clueless and just stand there with a gun in your back pocket and think you are safe.

My H2H training these days are dirty poker fighting.. See I have a 5th Dan WTF black belt as well as green belt at Judo and lots of HapKido. Two years of Krav Maga to. Plus 30-40 years of IDPA/IPSC with over 40 trophies on the wall (threw away the little ones.) Five are state championships (expert division.)

And yes that avatar of mine is me doing a jump back kick (when I had no gray hair) in my Dojo!

I have one purse snatcher and one burglar to my credit.. Yes held the thief with my gun and two of us chased down the purse snatcher in Charlotte Virgin Islands (both of 'em many many years ago.)

Been to quite a few schools to. Tom Givens, SouthNarc, Ray Chapman, Massad Ayoob, Steve Moses, and others over the years.

Martial arts and shooting have always been my to hobbies/advocations.

But I still like to learn new things... look for 'tells' people give off. See how thieves target people, etc... And yes YouTube has lots of these.. go to YouTube and search for 'Convenience Store robbery' or 'ATM robberies' and see what you get.

 

Roscoe, back pocket.. got it. Thanks.

Got it. Thanks.

Its good you're paying attention, sometimes you new guys have heads so big you have to turn sideways to get in the door.

Oh. I understand it, very well. I've read all about it. And it's all well and good if you're a sociologist, psychologist or neuroscientist. I just think it's academic BS when it comes to tactical situations.

When it's time to shoot, shoot! Don't analyze.

^^^^^This^^^^^

This, IMHO is more worthwhile than the OODA

Let's put it in simple terms so maybe you can understand for you think it is all about 'sociologist, psychologist or neuroscientist' and it is not.

The loop, in its most simplified term, is just 'Action/reaction'. Act so suddenly or quick that, before they can figure out what you are doing, you are already doing something else they must now figure out (like a quick one-two punch or rush behind cover and draw.) If you don't act so quick they see it coming and they successfully react and counter. But it also is deeper.

We all know it is wise to know your enemy and know yourself. Right?

YOUR OODA loop is constrained by YOUR Cultural traditions, YOUR Genetic heritage, YOUR previous experiences (that is both life and training.) YOUR ability to analyze the situation. You need to know what you can do.. and cannot do. Understand what you know and may not know. And spend some time filling gaps in your knowledge.

Same goes for your opponent. They have the same constrains (or lack of them.) You want to used their constraints to slow them down.. and you get rid of some of your constraints (like practice more or learning the local gang colors/signs to know what you are up against) to speed you up.

If you understand them then you know how to fight them (and no fight them.) You can judge your opponents skill set as well as your own. That is part of the loop. Part of having an 'edge'. The more you study the more you see what kind of person you are facing. Gang members have a very different thought process than you or me. Very different skill set. You might not be as mean or cold blooded as they are.. or willing to go to jail doing something while they don't care if they go to jail. You might not carry a gun cause it is illegal where you are.. they might cause they don't care.

You might handle the situation nicely due to your constraints.. and they, with no constraints, not so nicely.

Take the guy in the film. He though those three thieves would be scared of his gun.. and he spend his time using the cell phone as a camera instead of managing the distance between them and himself. He failed to realize they would not just stand there and comply... and while they distracted him just snatched his gun. He did not understand them.. and they saw him as an easy mark.

Oh, and BTW, the NYPD used the same stuff long before it was called OODA..

7 paragraphs , thanks for making it simple.

Will watching porn make someone a more accomplished lover, or just a voyeur?

 

Its good you're paying attention, sometimes you new guys have heads so big you have to turn sideways to get in the door.

An effective presenter has a knack for playing to the audience.

 

The OODA Loop?

Sounds like something some con man created in order to make money conducting paid seminars.

Pure psychobabble.

 

Yea... a real cone head Boyd .. He was commissioned as a second lieutenant in the Air Force following completion of the Reserve Officers' Training Corps program at the University of Iowa. On March 27, 1953, Boyd arrived in Korea as an F-86 Sabre pilot. In the two months until the Korean War armistice on July 27, Boyd flew 22 missions in F-86 Sabres, in which he did not fire his guns or score a kill. After his service in Korea, he was invited to attend the Fighter Weapons School (FWS). Boyd attended the school and graduated at the top of his class. Upon graduation, he was invited to stay at the FWS as an instructor. He became head of the Academic Section and wrote the tactics manual for the school. He was dubbed "Forty Second Boyd" for his standing bet as an instructor pilot that beginning from a position of disadvantage, he could defeat any opposing pilot in air combat maneuvering in less than 40 seconds. During the Vietnam War, he served as Vice Commander of Task Force Alpha and as Commander of the 56th Combat Support Group at Nakhon Phanom Royal Thai Air Force Base in Thailand from April 1972 to April 1973.

He had so much psychobabble the Bush Administration called Boyd back to work on the plans for Operation Desert Storm. Boyd had substantial influence on the ultimate "left hook" design of the plan.

In January 1980 Boyd gave his briefing Patterns of Conflict at the US Marines AWS (Amphibious Warfare School), which led to the instructor, Michael Wyly, and Boyd changing the curriculum. That was with the blessing of General Trainor, who later asked Wyly to write a new tactics manual for the Marines.

Colonel John Boyds Thoughts on Disruption

The Blind Strategist: John Boyd and the American Art of War

Author: Stephen RobinsonReviewer: Lt Col Mark Peters II, USAF, Retired, PhD

www.airuniversity.af.edu

The Strategic Theory of John Boyd - Tasshin

Boyd was one of the greatest military strategists of all time, alongside Sun Tzu and Karl von Clausewitz. In this post, I synthesize my own research and understanding of Boyd’s account of strategy in general.

tasshin.com

Yea real psychobabble... meanwhile RScottee what is your resume?

 

 

Well never confuse a poster... they may or may not have an education and they may or may not be intelligent. But they seem to 'think' they know how intelligent others are...

 

I can't believe I've been missing all of this action. Hold on....going to get my popcorn:

 

I can't believe I've been missing all of this action. Hold on....going to get my popcorn:

Setting on the sidelines for this one. 😇

 

I like to watch the Active Self Protection videos, but just for the clips of the incident being discussed. I have no use for the play by play breakdown.

I'm sure John is a good guy, but IMO he "overdoes" it. Still, seeing the captured incidents themselves can be enlightening.

 

There are tons of videos of robberies, muggings, fights, shootings, etc.. on YouTube. All can be watched and lessons learned. And if one does not like the commentary.. just mute it.

 

The OODA loop definitely has its place in both an offensive and defensive mindset in tactical scenarios, particularly when messing with the other guy's, forcing him to re-orient and reset. Dismissing its legitimacy because of distaste for its developer is, IMO, narrow and short-sighted.