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County level firearms noise ordinances

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#1 ·
What's your experience with county level noise ordinances pertaining to shooting? Does your area have a problem with some rural residents not being considerate neighbors and causing a kerfuffle over noise from gunfire, and if so, how is it being handled?

The local county was going down this path but decided to cancel the public hearing that was scheduled for tonight. Here's the latest version of a proposed change to the noise ordinance that was publicized until the cancellation of this Board of Supervisors agenda item. There were previous versions that didn't exempt firearms discharge at all other than for lawful hunting; it would have made blue haired Loudon County look like MAGA Texas compared to us.

"AMENDED: AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE NOISE ORDINANCE FAUQUIER COUNTY CODE CHAPTER 13.5 – An amendment to the Fauquier County Code sections pertaining to noise regulation to make offenses chargeable every fifteen minutes; for sound amplification devices and parties or events, create a maximum decibel level of 65 during daytime hours and 55 during the hours of 10:00 p.m. – 7:00 a.m. on weekdays and 11:00 p.m. – 7:00 a.m. on Friday and Saturday evenings; and apply decibel limits to discharge of firearms between the hours of 10:00 p.m., and 7:00 a.m., while maintaining an exception for lawful hunting."

The VCDL sent out an action item, and not long after the board cancelled this agenda item. However, I suspect it will come back up because the primary driver is noise from ATVs and large noisy outdoor parties and those noise problems are causing a lot of complaints. Someone in the county decided to eliminate the current firearms exemption and thought it would just slide through.

If there's a way to reduce the friction between people fed up with shooting noise and the 2A rights of others I'm all ears (no pun intended).

I sure do wish the Hearing Protection Act would get passed soon so more people could easily buy suppressors.
 
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People here bitch about weed eaters at 8 AM. I don't know what they'd do back in the '50s when every dad on the street was mowing the lawn on Saturday morning at 8 AM.
 
#4 ·
The outdoor range where I've maintained membership for many years is located in what used to be a rather remote location. In more recent years there has been considerable new residential construction in that area, and the new residents complain about the noise of gunfire.

Other peoples' children. I had no control over how they were raised.

My suggested response is to offer the land to them at current fair market value, as a recreational shooting range with a few thousand members drawing competitors for matches from hundreds of miles around. If you want to control it you should have to buy it. Of course, any sale agreement must contain a disclosure about the possibilities of lead contamination to the soil, etc. Fifty years ago it was dry unirrigated agricultural prairie land (don't think how many cows per acre, think how many acres per cow for grazing land), maybe $100 per acre; today it is ripe for residential development in quarter-acre lots at $50,000 each. Californicators coming in by the hundreds to build their McMansions where the sun shines 330 days every year.

They just don't seem to appreciate a 400-meter rifle range near the back yard. I can't wait until they meet the local rattlesnakes, or experience the annual tarantula migration and mating seasons, prairie dog villages with bubonic plague from season to season, coyotes with a taste for domestic pets. On a nice clear evening it's easy to hear the Army artillery practice using the Fort Carson ranges a few miles away, and USAF A-10 attack aircraft make low-altitude runs over the prairie and foothills regularly.

If they win I hope they like what they have here.
 
#5 ·
SO FAR - we are pretty safe since 80% of our county voters voted red, straight ticket. However, "they" are moving in from California and Illinois.
 
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Noise ordinances are commonly written with no distinction between continuous noise (e.g., music) and aperiodic, impulsive noise (gunfire). I'm not disputing that both can be annoying, but the noise limits are often prescribed in pseudo-scientific language which fails to account for the differences as to how each should be measured. Further, you can't just hand a cop a "sound level meter" and expect him/her to make an accurate measurement. There are more ways to make a bad sound pressure level measurement than a good one.
 
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I’m sure that this information has been viewed, but just for reference.

The world is a noisy place.

Karen & Ken need to find some hobbies. Just for clarity this goes for both,
the ones making the noise and those who are complaining about it.




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My suburban city abuts a township. In Ohio, shooting in a township cannot be regulated like it can in a city. So our police semi-regularly get complaints from residents because they hear gunfire. I'm sure those residents have no idea that the gunfire is coming from the township and is totally legal.
 
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The issue of firearms noise along urban/rural edge isn't likely to go away. Sure, we can lament the whiners moving into our areas, but the longer it goes on the more likely the majority (the whiners) will be able to restrict our freedoms, even if those restrictions violate the RTKBA.

I've been thinking about the Hearing Protection Act and I think it's mistitled. As titled, it's about us...protecting the hearing of shooters. To the casual non-gun people there's nothing in it for them (there is, they just don't realize it).

"Firearms Noise Reduction Act" might be a better title to get the attention and support of non-gun people complaining about gun noise. Potentially a win-win for both gun owners and non-gun people.
 
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Noise ordinance is often used as a legal backdoor. First limit the hours, followed by limit what days of the week. The goal is to force a business to relocate or close and to make it more difficult and an interruption to individuals on their own private property. We have all seen it shut down music at restaurants or events and racetracks etc.
 
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Our county is at the edge of northern Virginia and the broad Wash DC metro area. As such it's become a popular place to hold weddings or other events on farms and vineyards. Some of the rural neighbors of these noisy and increasing frequent events are getting tired of the music blaring next door until after midnight.

This, and increased use of ATVs at all hours near neighbors' houses is causing an increase in noise complaint responses from our Sheriff's office. It seems someone in the county government decided to just lump it all together and tried to eliminate the firearms exception to the noise ordinance while they were at it.
 
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As others said, I'm lucky enough not to have the issue. Live 15 miles from the nearest town, and the neighbors I grew up shooting with, or do now occasionally. Rifle fire at 2 or 3 am just means somebody found a coyote. 15 years or so ago, we had a party out in the back yard...well, acre and a half around a pond...Dads band was set up with about 60k watts, and someone called the county cops with a noise complaint..at 2 in the afternoon on a saturday.. (was real easy to tell who called it in...everyone for 10 miles was there...except one guys wife that didn't want to come with him...) they showed up, and said there was no noise ordinance, so nothing to worry about. Stuck around for the music for 15 or 20 minutes and left..
 
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Being it’s Deer season in my area, the shooting started Saturday morning, I could hear the shots coming from behind our house along with more activity in the woods across from our house.

No one got excited about the noise, gun fire, ATV’s, tractors and trucks etc.

Did I mention that I built a track for our grandchildren to ride ATV’s in the backyard - zero concerns from our neighbors, no complaints.

Karen & Kenny are kept in check.