It seems that I read somewhere, ( it might had been from Ayob?) that no one gets seconds until all have had one. ( I may have spelled his name wrong but you know who I mean I hope LOL)

 

Id engage the first targets at once with dual headshots, with my custom 1911's, one in each hand. Then put two rounds into the third guys head, simultaneously of course. Shooting two pistols at once isnt so bad with a little training you can hit two different targets at once. I learned all this from watching action films of course, also Id be wearing my mall ninja vest rated for multiple hits from. 338 mag, just in case the bg nerves were twitching and I wouldnt catch a stray round from their weapons. All in a days work here at the mall.

 

At a point shooting course, this was stated...

Boarder House Rules: No one gets a second helping until everyone gets his first.:read1:

 

/\/\/\ That's the only way I can see it working out.

 

Multiple threats! No thanks, I'd rather not.

 

IMHO once you draw or start to fire I am willing to bet the BG are going to be ducking and covering and running away. Get off the X and squeeze buttock tight because it is going to go bad very quickly.

 

Box drills. Done. And as far as selecting which target to go after first, you shoot at the target that presents the biggest threat to you. I.E. Obviously shoot the guy thats 10 feet away as opposed to his buddy who is 20 feet away. And when it comes to shooting at a guy with a knife and a guy with the gun, I would choose the guy with the knife... the gun is only dangerous on one end and he is under just as much stress as you now that you have leveled the playing field with your own gun.

 

Box drills. Done. And as far as selecting which target to go after first, you shoot at the target that presents the biggest threat to you. I.E. Obviously shoot the guy thats 10 feet away as opposed to his buddy who is 20 feet away. And when it comes to shooting at a guy with a knife and a guy with the gun, I would choose the guy with the knife... the gun is only dangerous on one end and he is under just as much stress as you now that you have leveled the playing field with your own gun.

Nah.

 

Spread the love, share the wealth, repeat as necessary.

 

pretty much it.

We were always taught ... 2-3 for each one, and extra as necessary, if they are equal threats.
Typically, they are not equal. We used to practice shooting up to 5 threats and rapid fire.
If you practice it, you might be amazed how fast and accurate you can get at it.

 

You should have posed this question to Josey Wales.

 

Granted it's been almost 20 years, but when I was doing my pistol qualifying in the Air Force, the directions were "two shots to the chest, move to the next target".

 

Now I know why my target had so many extra holes!

 

It depends.

 

Double Tap x 3

 

Seems most people look at this as a 'stand and deliver' exercise.

Move, Move, Move!

If you GOTX, there is a good chance to get at least one BG between you and the others as a sort of cover/concealment. Then you can worry about 1 at a time.

Again, it all depends on positioning. But it does upset the OODA loop.

It works well in FOF drills*.



*(Yeah,Yeah, I know - few really see the value of FOF training or have the time/resources...)

 

+1 on everything you said. Airsoft, while sometimes a bit painful, is very instructive.

 

Good thread tacman!

I'm in the camp everybody gets one (or two); starting with the closest & biggest threats first. One thing about "groups" or "gangs" is there are usually only a few TRUE aggressors that will start it off. If you can understand who the first ones to attack will be (and take them down) you can give yourself a better than average chance of success.

Criminal gangs are mostly made up of a few "Alpha" leaders, find & stop them and the rest of the pack becomes disoriented. This will give you a better chance to escape or more effectively engage.

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Rule #1, don't draw against a drawn gun(s). To stay alive if you must face 3 BGs, shoot and scoot. Hope your training is better than theirs. Shoot first and shoot fast and shoot straight.

 

Multiple threats! No thanks, I'd rather not

Eric. Nobody wants to brother but remember you do not set the tone or the situation the bad guys do you simply react to what they do.

 

Which is why there is no one answer to your original question.

 

Without getting into absolutes on the subject, everyone of the BGs would get some lead flying into them. Thats if they continue the fight my way. If I shoot the first one, and the others run off, they get a pass for the day. There are a lot of variables with this kind of scenario. Very good to think on, very good to train on.....

 

Absolutely Mike everyone to their own. Each situation would be different.

 

Run away as fast as you can. (Seriously.) Standing there and engaging multiple assailants is a profoundly suicidal tactic.

 

Run away as fast as you can. (Seriously.) Standing there an engaging multiple assailants is a profoundly suicidal tactic.

Bearing in mind that it is quite possible to not know about the second assailant until his rounds start hitting.

 

A little variation of what ScottM said, I would get off the X, but in an attempt to line them up so I can shoot all of them with one shot from a Walther P38 like in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. I don't have a P38 though, so now I guess I need to go shopping again, dang.

While that was half a joke, I don't see there being very many scenarios where you aren't ventilated taking on 3 gunmen. Assuming they came at you standing shoulder to shoulder, getting to their side so they have to turn and are stacked would give you a better chance to engage one at a time as they have to move out of each other's way.

 

For me, it depends on if/how each of them are armed. Ideally, I would engage the closest armed BG, first, and engage each armed BG in order of closeness, however, Clint Eastwood may have had it right in "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly," when he is 1 v 4, and wins, because he engages the guy with the crazy eyes first....

 

Wasn't that "The Outlaw Josey Wales"?

 

Do we get swords?

 

Nope.
Shuriken's ( sp?)

 

I can only see it working out if you hand some out to everybody. Assuming that youre moving and theyre not in a line shooting at you, maybe moving to a position where one would be in anothers line of fire would take care of the closest..

 

Would depend on the situation. Closest person will get the first shot. If I would have to expose my back to the first person to engage the others, I'd give BG 1 a second dose first.

 

One thing to consider in this scenario is disparity of force. If you go along with the "everybody gets some" approach, you need to reevaluate after every shot. Once you've shot one or two BG's, disparity of force may not apply any more. Personally, I say take out the guy that scares me the most and go from there.

 

Though I'm sure if it's ever brought to court, you can find more than enough expert witnesses (including Ayoob) who say's do all 3 and go back to evaluate. I don't believe disparity of force ends the second you pull the trigger on one of them as you still haven't assessed the threat.