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I carry 124gr +p Gold Dots. Why? They are proven, and cheap enough where I can shoot quite a few to check function.

HST and Gold Dots are both proven. If carry either. Whichever is cheaper likely, that way I can shoot 100-150 of them without breaking the bank. I got my GDs for $0.60/round. Don't feel guilty about taking ammo that price to the range and firing a few boxes.
 
The perfomance of the HST in the STB test cannot be a statistical anomaly.
Of course it can. Even if the HST's had a 10% failure rate, there's still a 59% chance they could make it through a 5-shot test without a failure. If the Gold Dots had an identical 10% failure rate, there's a 20% chance they could fail twice in five shots.

Just look at the results. The God dot results in the STB are also internally consistent. Under expansion, with resulting overpenetration with 2 rounds. Unless there is some flaw in the testing, that HST gave perfect performance, reliably.
I'm not saying that a Gold Dot is better than an HST - only that no valid conclusions can be drawn from a sample size of five rounds of each. In that respect, there IS a flaw in the testing; too small a sample size.
 
In the case of the HSTs it was 10 shots. You can see all 10 lined up at the 5 minute mark in the STB video. Expansion was.uniform. The depth of penetration was also very uniform. Velocity was uniform. I also looked at as many images as came up on the net for the HST and they all looked the same. Take a look and tell me what you think.

I have no background in statistics, but the HST looks as close to perfect as one can get.
 
Check out the data on Federal website, Law Enforcement - Federal Premium LE, Speer LE, BLACKHAWK!, Eagle - Load Comparison

In the 124 +P weight Gold Dot generally penetrates a little more and expands a little less than HST.

Bare Gel:
124 Gold Dot +P: 11.78" / .72
124 HST +P: 10'' / .87

Heavy Clothed Gel:
124 Gold Dot +P: 14.13" / .60
124 HST +P: 13'' / .61

IWBA Heavy Clothed Gel:
124 Gold Dot +P: 15.88" / .56
124 HST +P: 12'' / .64

"Better" depends on whether you want maximum expansion or penetration.
 
Our department uses Gold Dots, 147 in 9 and 230 in 45, all standard pressures.
I bought some of both for my 9 and 45s for off duty carry too.
I've seen the results of them use on duty.
HST are also great as are the Ranger/SXT/PDX.
Any of these are good for SD.
 
I don't worry too much about this stuff. My 938 doesn't like Corbons, so I use HST, Ranger-T, or Gold dots...or Honaday w/XTP's...or Critical Duty...or Prograde...I'd use FMJ in a pinch.

More and more, I like revolver ammunition with a stout load and a fat meplat.
 
HST, GD or Ranger T for me. Another good bullet that surprised us in testing was the Golden Sabre. 9 and 45 cal were tested in wet pack. GS came in 5th of 10 loads in both cal tested.
 
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Yeah, I forgot the Golden Sabre. It does seem to have a good track record. My concern is that Remington QC has reputedly been a little lax of late. Probably not a big issue as I inspect each round visually before I load it for CCW. Certainly there are other good loads (eg Win Ranger, BB, Black Hills, etc) out there, no doubt. But as much as I can I'd like to standardize one load to CCW for all my guns of that caliber. It simplifies logistics and I'm not constantly relearning POA/POI for different loads.

Of course sometimes we are just forced to use whatever we can get. I'd carry Tul Ammo if that's all I could find! Anything that goes BANG! is better than nothing.:gah:
 
From what I have read and viewed on various sites, the gold dot has a marginal edge. In hands on tests I have only used paper to test things out. I found that the difference between gold dot and how the fmj target practice versions of gold dot feel very similar. More so than say Winchester white box fmj vs their ranger series.

With that said, for what ever reason, I have more confidence in ranger. I've just shot more Winchester than other types of makers, and feeding reliability is my primary concern. Have never had a problem with anything feeding, but go ith what I have shot the most of.
 
Ok I'll put my 2cents in. When I served as a Game Warden, we carried Winchester Ranger in 165 gr. I currently work with DHS/ICE, Federal HST 180 gr. is the issued ammo. Both are .40 cal. I carry 180 gr in my duty and off duty weapons. IMHO, whether you use HST or GD is a matter of preference. In the end, I believe they will all perform well. Good Luck. Be Safe.
And ICE also issues Speer Gold Dot in 124+p as the approved 9mm duty round, so much for consistency right? But I agree, both perform extremely well.
 
I currently carry Winchester 147gr Q4364 right now. I also have few boxes of Remington Golden Saber 147gr bonded which will using when I have finished up my supply of Q4364 rounds. 147gr rounds are tough to come by so I was using 124gr standard pressure HST, Speer Gold Dot, or Winchester 124gr +P rounds.
 
HST, GD or Ranger T for me. Another good bullet that surprised us in testing was the Golden Sabre. 9 and 45 cal were tested in wet pack. GS came in 5th of 10 loads in both cal tested.
Yeah, I forgot the Golden Sabre. It does seem to have a good track record. My concern is that Remington QC has reputedly been a little lax of late. Probably not a big issue as I inspect each round visually before I load it for CCW. Certainly there are other good loads (eg Win Ranger, BB, Black Hills, etc) out there, no doubt. But as much as I can I'd like to standardize one load to CCW for all my guns of that caliber. It simplifies logistics and I'm not constantly relearning POA/POI for different loads.

Of course sometimes we are just forced to use whatever we can get. I'd carry Tul Ammo if that's all I could find! Anything that goes BANG! is better than nothing.:gah:

I forgot the GS.

They are like the red headed step-child. But somehow he always seems to get his chores done and stay out of trouble.
GD, PDX1, HST Cor Bon Are comparing Gala Apples to Fuji Apples.

They will all work, how well in different pistols is what you must find out.

I use all in 9mm, 124 grn., and GD PDX1 and HST in .357 Sig 125 grn.

I forgot to add,
all ammo that I use is LE branded, meaning, correct me if I am wrong, is that each bullet is QC inspected(I think)
 
For 9mm, I stock up on whatever I can source. Federal HST 124 or 147 grain. Gold Dot, 124 grain and Golden Sabre, 124 ans 147 grain.
In 40, Federal HST 180 grain
In .45, Gold Dot, HST and Golden Saber. 230 grain. I prefer heavier standard pressure.
 
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BTW, I was rummaging around and found two more 50 round boxes of 124gr HST in 9mm.:image035: I thought I had a couple boxes somewhere, luckily I did!
 
I like HST's, but prefer Rangers in 165gr for my 40. I've never shot any Gold Dots. Maybe I'll grab a box the next time I'm out and give 'em a try.
My M&P is not finicky at all and so far has eaten everything I've fed it. LOL!
 
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Why drive a Chevy or a Ford when for just a little more you can go in style and comfort with the "Cadillac", Buffalo/Barnes or CorBon +p+ loading of the DPX all copper bullet ??????
 
I forgot to add,
all ammo that I use is LE branded, meaning, correct me if I am wrong, is that each bullet is QC inspected(I think)
It means it has "LE" stamped on the box. Nothing more, nothing less. :yup:
 
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