Not cop bashing here.... Ok... been accused of that before... don't want to go there again.... Just pointing out facts here!

LEO's are from the same human species as the rest of us folks... good and bad alike.

Just because they have a polyester uniform and badge I don't assume anything.

I worked EMS in a small town who had a LEO with an active felony warrant in another state for "passing bad checks" of all things! They worked in this small town as a uniformed LEO for 18 months before that little tid bit of information was discovered.

Just this past spring a LEO from the neighboring town, population 8,000 flipped out and held brother officers from same dept. and our sheriff's dept at gunpoint with his AR-15, essentially begging for suicide by cop.

He was just sentanced this month to 5 years supervised probation on a charge of felony assault which will be expunged if he fullfills his probation without further incident. Needless to say, he's no longer an LEO but he was at the time of the incident.

I believe an LEO from Ohio is sitting in jail awaiting trial for Killing his pregnant girlfriend who was full term and ready to deliver any day, and stuffed her and fetus in shallow grave.

No real point here except people automatically assume if you're a LEO you're ok to have a gun on you, but a guy coming to service your AC or fix your stove shouldn't be trusted if they have a gun and don't mention it because they have a ccw?

Are you gonna check every cab driver before you get into a cab?

You have to look at big picture folks... Don't you think service people have a chance of being robbed? A cab driver a chance of being murdered and robbed? A pizza boy getting robbed while delivering a pizza?

Chances are if you hire a service person to come fix your TV and he steals your wallet... It isn't going to be a service person who does it at gunpoint! Pretty obvious who did it at that point.

The ones who are gonna steal from you are the ones who are sneaky about it... so they can say... "Hey, I didn't do it... maybe you just misplaced it somewhere, why you blameing me?"

They aren't the ones with a ccw permit and a guy wearing a gun in a $100 custom IWB holster.

Just my reasoning.... and my opinion! YMMV

And Please.... I'm not bashing cops! Just using a few examples to show how people assume things they necessarily shouldn't.

 

2A

Just my .02 worth, but I believe that no one should have to have a permit to carry. I am at home, armed when ever a service man is scheduled to provide service at my home. I watch them from their arrival, eyeball them as they walk up to my door. If he looks likes a hairball, dirt bag, he doesn't get past my front door. I apply situational awareness to his arrival. If I feel that he is okay I let him in. Now if I see has a weapon on him, I engage him in conversation about weapons. IS he carrying a quality weapon in a quality holster? If he has a good weapon in a good holster he probably takes weapons seriously. Does he have a el cheapo POS weapon just tucked in his waistband? Yes it is my home, my rules. But if I complain about people and the government infringing on my right to bear arms, I am not going to infringe on someone else's right to carry. I firmly believe the we have the right to carry a CCW without a permit! Without government interference or approval. I am sure many on here will jump all over me about my lack of security and what not, but I am not going to be hypercritical (is that spelled right??) and say I can carry but everyone else in my house can't.
You did the right thing by suggesting that he my be more comfortable with someone else servicing his A/C. Your actions are more proof that in general people who CCW are more patient, slower to anger, and less confrontational than the general public. Thank you for you professionalism and style.:congrats:

 

Good keeping your wits and sharing kind words. if you ever would like to come to my world of investing in real estate, you're very welcome ask. I'll be carrying everywhere since you don't know what lurks inside those old homes, sometimes bums & sometimes crackheads.lol. angel.networthopportunity.com
i keep my dayjob for now but look forward to being unemployed one day...lol.
Angel

 

I'll probably get some flak about it, but I believe the home owner AND the repairman/CC license holder both have valid points. As someone else said, it's my home and my rules. If you don't agree with my views or the "rules of the house", you're welcome to leave. OTOH, if you have a valid CC license, you should be free to carry wherever it's legal... until you get made on private property. Then, it defaults to the house rules. :hand5:

Personally, if I had been in the situation the original poster was in, I'd have made a better effort to conceal my "concealed" weapon, especially if prior experience has shown some people are nervous around an armed stranger in their home... though for the life of me I can't understand why anyone would be these days !!! If (despite my best efforts) I was made by a homeowner and he/she commented about it, I'd have told them I have a license to carry due to the nature of my business and the many "questionable" people and situations I find myself in. I'd then tell the client that if they are uncomfortable with me carrying a weapon, I'd be happy to lock it in my vehicle until the job is finished. After that it would be up to the customer. They can either ignore my weapon and let me get on with the job, ask me to lock the gun in my vehicle until the job is finished - which I would do since this IS his/her residence - or if they have a total meltdown over the situation, I'd simply do as the poster did. I'd politely tell him or her they would probably be more comfortable with someone else and then leave. Sometimes you win, sometimes you loose. :9:

 

I'll probably get some flak about it, but I believe the home owner AND the repairman/CC license holder both have valid points. As someone else said, it's my home and my rules. If you don't agree with my views or the "rules of the house", you're welcome to leave. OTOH, if you have a valid CC license, you should be free to carry wherever it's legal... until you get made on private property. Then, it defaults to the house rules.

I can live with that... Not unreasonable. I do agree the homeowner certainly has his perrogative not to allow guns on his property.

I am not of the ilk that thinks just because a man coming to work on my stuff has a gun means he's a threat. On the contrary, I totally understand the need to ccw by service people!

I just keep an eye on everyone who comes to work at my residence and I am armed myself.

As a matter of fact, if I spot a gun on a service person in my house (which I never have before), I would simply ask him if he gets hassled much by people who see his gun flash. Then I would probably recommend methods of concealment that may work better for them.

Very polite, very professional, we both have guns... no big deal.

 

I wouldn't be comfortable with an illegally-carried gun in my home, but I think there's too much tactical disadvantage in asking to see a license--If they are deciding whether to cause trouble, you may trigger it. If they leave without trouble, they probably weren't going to cause any in the first place.

If I've got strangers in my house I'm armed. If I spotted something I might start a conversation something like "Is that a <best guess at the gun brand or holster type>? I carry an XD40 in a Crossbreed--Great combination, I can wear it all day without a problem. Did you get your license in our county? My wife did, and hers took forever--I got mine from Montgomery, and had mine a month before hers came through..." and continue babbling as if I were completely unconcerned, while letting him know Wife and I are both armed.

 

I wouldn't be comfortable with an illegally-carried gun in my home, but I think there's too much tactical disadvantage in asking to see a license

This type of situation is about the only legitimate non-LEO use of a published CHL list that I can think of: when you'd want to pre-screen those whom you invite into your home, whether it be the local repairman, or whomever. Trouble is, such a public list comes with a whole truckload of negative uses and abuses. Forget I even pointed this out. Pass.

I'll continue to assume that all folks are armed, and that I'll do my vetting well in advance of anyone being invited in. Works for me.

 

This threads been getting warmer and warmer, we're going into a full moon too...

Might be time to agree to disagree, like gentlemen.

 

Pete - you got in first.

Yeah - let's keep things reasonable and lower the adversarial aspect. Agree to disagree and all that. It's often not so much what is said as how :wink:

 

if a maintenance person comes into my home....I am armed...I usually do not carry while I am in my house relaxing, etc. But if someone comes to the door, or someone comes in my house, I am armed. If he is armed, and I notice it, I will confront him, if nothing less than to let him know I am vigilant. A little small talk, and end of discussion.
I don't blame the OP for carrying....going into peoples house can be a scary thing, especially basements, etc....remember pulp fiction? LOL seriously, you never know.
I commend you on how you handled the situation. I recently had a patient leave my office because I had a poster advertising Scholastic Clay Target Program at our local sportsmans club in my foyer. I guess she thought the kids on the poster were going to shoot her.

 

I don't blame the OP for carrying....going into peoples house can be a scary thing, especially basements, etc....remember pulp fiction? LOL seriously, you never know.

Very funny you say this. Some years ago I went into an attic to do some ductwork in this gay guys home (strictly an adjective, no offense intended). It was an unfinished attic absolutly bare, except a little curtained area with a light. Turn on the light and smack in the middle is a locked chest, just like the one on pulp fiction. I went to "go get some materials." Came back with a my brother I hired to help me finish the one-man job. I wasn't going back there alone! :rofl: True story!

 

I thought about it some more...

spades brings up a good point. I was playing more of a devil's advocate role earlier. While I still feel as though its well within the homeowners rights to ask to see a permit, it is hypocritical of pro-2a, cc, ect people to demand such things.

I would probably ask them what kinda gun they have (just to let them know that I know) and strike up a conversation and maybe casually ask them if they have a permit.

I would hate to be labeled a "bad guy" just because I had my gun on. "Guilty until proven innocent".

 

so many forks in this road that there really is no definite conclusion. you can be up front before entering and seem to "pro". you can leave it in the truck and play it safe. i myself? just conceal really well and if dug out and found... well, you had bad experiences with hostile dogs and it's for your protection. i think your just fine with going about the way you are... keep carrying... don't let this closet case determine your level of protection.

 

I guess the though never crossed the guys mind that even something as simple as a flat screwdriver, you may have even had one in your tool box, could be used as a weapon?

I find people like that perplexing...