I carry a 1911, an empty chamber gives you a 28oz paperweight.

 

I've got a couple friends with young children. Basically anything with a pulse scares them if their kids around. All the crazy stuff we used to do in college; now it's all, "which stroller is safest?"

But yeah, you never know what you might end up needing that off-hand for.

 

Do you recall if you seen him inside during the service? Maybe he was waiting for somebody. What did he say to you?

On another note, in regards to him going up to another members car, perhaps he was making a drug deal? Even church-goers happen to use drugs.

If you happen to find out what happened when LEO confronted him, please update as well.

 

For me, it seems more likely to have a ND under stress tying to chamber a round.

I've never had to draw my weapon, but if I do, I want all of my attention focused on the threat, not making sure my gun is ready to go.

 

For me, it seems more likely to have a ND under stress tying to chamber a round.

I've never had to draw my weapon, but if I do, I want all of my attention focused on the threat, not making sure my gun is ready to go.

I can definitely understand the reasoning in both parts of your post. I've done under stress drills far as chambering/reloading and would recommend them to anybody who hasn't. It's something you can really do with just a friend(s) (i.e. screaming at you the whole time putting pressure on you, etc.) but a class would be even better of course.

I carry with one in the pipe for the same reason I bolded and I've had to draw. It was one less thing to worry about when split seconds count.

 

I ALWAYS carry cocked and locked, otherwise it might as well be in the safe.

 

I too have young ones (8, 6, and 3) and they all know daddy carries a pistol. We discuss gun safety alot,but with children there is never enough gun safety talks.

Don't be afraid to introduce firearm safety with your children. As far as carrying in church, at first wife didn't like it (IWB), so I compromised: I still carry, just tote LCR in pocket...out of sight out of mind!

 

If you are not comfortable with carrying a Glock chambered, you might want to onsider another weapon or just become more familiar with the weapon and its safety features to convice yourself it is safe.

I don't carry SAO guns because I don't like "cocked and locked." It's purely a state of mind, not factual, I know cocked and locked is safe. I also don't appendix carry. These are my limitations, and I've recognized them. I could overcome them in time, but I don't feel the need to as I have other options.

Edit: I may have misunderstood your post re small children. But if the kids get the hands on the gun, it doesn't matter what you are carrying and chambered or not...

 

........ But if the kids get the hands on the gun, it doesn't matter what you are carrying and chambered or not...

Huh?? It would be almost impossible for a small child to work the slide and chamber a round into a 1911 (or other full size pistol). Thus the chances of a child-induced ND are dramatically reduced with an empty chamber.

I can understand both sides of the OP's dilemma. With small kids around, I think he's doing the right thing with empty chamber. The small kids are around him ALL THE TIME, whereas a bona fide 'bad guy' may never show up in his life. If the OP has even one tiny memory lapse and leaves the pistol where a child can access it, then the chances of a ND are less with empty chamber. Of course, the trade off is that he's slightly slower getting the pistol into action against a 'bad guy'.

 

I carry a Ruger LCR 38 , just point and shoot.


Rich

 

oh no here come the condition 1 nazis , You must carry cond 1! or you are unamerican. you must or you are the same as being unarmed!. if you carry cond 3 you will most certainly die! Condition 1 carry folks make better lovers! etc....

 

oh no here come the condition 1 nazis , You must carry cond 1! or you are unamerican. you must or you are the same as being unarmed!. only those that vote for obama carry condition 3! if you carry cond 3 you will most certainly die! Condition 1 carry folks make better lovers! etc....

Lighten up Francis

 

I see these threads come up occasionally & always feel the same way. I am neither aggressive nor itching for the (even justified) chance to draw my handgun. Yet the decision to carry it (IMHO) comes with a series of prerequisites, one of which is to be immediately prepared to use it. I've heard of some military protocol (U.S. Embassy protection?) that dictates un-chambered carry rationalized as the weapons being primarily a "show of force". But that can't be the case with concealed carry. Would someone (other than vistromrider, I find his above comment both abrupt & insulting. Especially the word "nazi") take the time to explain to me the rationalization of un-chambered concealed carry?

 

Oh no here come the new guys who think that under stress they can draw, chamber, engage and hit their target because they watched a youtube video's and the Israeli's do it.

 

^^^^^^^^^^^YEP^^^^^^^^

But honestly, they can drive a car, change the radio station, talk on the cell phone & chew gum at the same time right?

Why WOULDN"T they be able to do something so mundane and easy as rack a slide.

While 2-3 punks have them by the throat.
Because THEIR SA is Soooo much better than everyone elses, right?

 

I just purchased a 1911 .45 and it is on my desk now with one in the chamber and the saftey on. It takes a little getting use to and I check the saftey each time I pick it up. I do put it up when the Grandkids come to visit.

 

Its based on the soup nazi, if your offended so easily sorry. maybe you have not had your coffee yet... on with the list of demands of why we must carry cond 1!

 

A little strident, aren't we? And it appears that the only person throwing out the ad hominens is you.

Troll anyone?

 

If you carry Cond 1 good for you. if you carry cond 3 good for you.. its 1000% better than not carrying a pistol. Just make sure you practice that way. Alertness is much more important than if you carry Cond 1,2 or 3... I been carryin CCW everyday for 19 years much of it condition 3, and never have been harmed yet. condition yellow muy importante ,condition 1 poco importante

 

OP it's unfortunate that this type of situation happened but tat the same time it's a good thing for several reasons.

You were able to assess a situation that, at the time, seemed threatening, and you were able to see how your might possibly react. Your wife also showed that she is aware of her surroundings and knew that you were there to protect her and the kids.

The biggest benefit to this situation is realizing the difficulty you may have faced if you had to draw, chamber, and then engage. During that time, you may have tried to sweep your family behind you with your off hand. You may have short-stroked the slide and failed to get the round chambered. Many many things could have happened. You cannot do it all at once.

I hope you can get to comfortable place with carrying chambered. Your kids can't hurt themselves if you keep the trigger covered and the gun in a safe place when not on your person. You will do just fine.

 

I really can't think of anyone on this forum that would like to be called a nazi, soup or not. If you don't like the content of the OP just go away...

 

Wow. Did everyone not have their morning coffee? Am I the only one who understands the soup nazi reference? Seinfeld anyone?

 

hahah i got it. not saying ANYTHING is EVER funny regarding Nazi's, only that they lost and what not! But that is a hilarious episode! I don't have my CCW and even when I do take my handgun with me i have to chamber it when my wife isn't looking. She lost her father to a self inflicting wound to the head so she is already nervous around handguns but doesn't prevent me from purchasing all the guns I want. She also refuses to handle ANY gun that isn't a revolver or bolt action. Having a child changes everything. As far as I'm concerned I'm fully aware of my firearm at all times. Having my little one around just keeps me on top of it even more.

 

Good SA. Each of us has to evaluate their own circumstances, physical abilities, and training when deciding on what state to carry our weapon(s). There is no right or wrong way to carry, there is only your way. Personally, I'm a little long-in-the-tooth and the lightening reflexes of my youth have dulled. So, I carry locked & cocked.

 

It's always fun to see things haven't changed during my absence.

I prefer cond 1 for all reasons already mentioned. As far as children getting hold of a firearm in cond 1, how likely is that to happen while you are carrying it?

I'm just envious that the OP can carry at church, we're still prohibited from church carry in Georgia.

 

Wow did not know that I Guess Christians dont deserve protection, I carry in our fairly large church and the Pastors knows it... and appreciates it. sunday shoes check , sunday S&W check..

 

I carry with an empty chamber as a rule but I rarely go anywhere sketch like the OP described. If I were to do so, I'd be locked and loaded.

 

Common sense > I like it...

 

It will be a hard lesson learned for you if you have a life threatening confrontation and your not ready......after 2 incidents in my life I can tell you.....there is no time to rack a slide......plain and simple......maybe a revolver would be a better choice for you or If your not comfortable carrying it +1......then maybe you should rely on OC spray, at least that will be ready when or if you need it.

 

Being a "sitting duck" in church does not appeal to me or the pastor. I carry in church with one in the pipe. I always carry with one in the pipe due to forum's like this one teaching (and showing vid's) why I should. Having small kid's would sure complicate matters I do agree. :yup:

 

Wow, didn't expect this many comments. As far as drug deals, everyone besides my family is 60 plus, closer to 80. The person in question was not in church. I would not park in this area except this is where the Leo sits and I park next to him, no safer place, right??

Dead guy's post makes the most sense to me. I had been carrying on an empty chamber to get used to the weapon. I am capable of operating this weapon safely, but was getting used to it. The post was intended to share my experience with others who might carry with an empty chamber for whatever reason.

Thanks

 

Thanks to this forum I always have one in the pipe. I started out with empty. I learned more and read about things and practiced more at the range. I am comfortable with it and don't even worry about it any more. I just know I am ready to go if needed.

 

Folks with small children hovering around tend to be extra or overly cautious. It's a Parent/Child thing that is completely understandable though possibly slightly irrational.

You carry a GLOCK. Buy yourself a Saf-T-Blok and then (for now) you'll feel better and at least you will not need to rack the slide to chamber a round. Popping that out from behind the trigger with your index finger is a whole lot quicker than racking the slide to chamber a round - and also consider the fact that you may need to fend off an attack or hold onto one of your kids with your support arm and that arm/hand may not be available to rack your slide.

For now & were I you (with your concerns) I would either opt for the Saf-T-Block or an active retention holster.