cocked with safety on. That's what the gun was designed for.

 

Always cocked and locket (one in the chamber and safety on).

cocked with safety on. That's what the gun was designed for.

I am not sure if you are referring the 1911 or not, but the 1911 was not designed to be carried cocked and locked. When John Moses Browning designed the 1911 it did not have manual safety.

 

Absolutely. Lowering the hammer over a loaded chamber is just inviting an ND.

Matt

 

Concur. Not only is a ND highly possible during lowering the hammer, the mechanics of doing so is awful. Your thumb is nicely aligned to get mangled by the slide during the ND as well.

 

Cocked and locked, the way they are designed.

 

Yes. You should read the instruction manual on how the gun was designed to be carried. What is the make and model?

 

The only way to "cock on the draw" would mean that you manually lowered the hammer ON A LIVE ROUND. Thats a big no-no IMO and its a ND waiting to happen.

if its a DA/SA weapon, use the decocker. The first shot should be double action (I've never understood people that buy a DA/SA gun and then manually thumb cock the weapon before firing. If you want an SAO semi, buy a 1911 or BHP).

The only weapon that should be "cocked on the draw" would be a Single-Action revolver.

Cocked and Locked is perfectly safe in any properly functioning weapon for which it was designed.

 

Cocked and locked...............trouble doesn't make an appointment.

 

I carry cocked and locked kimber ultra carry. Was just talking to someone at the range who carries his sao without a round in the chamber because he doesnt want "to have to mess with a safety". I told him I thought that was pretty off.

 

Condition 1 is the only way to carry a pistol like that.
If I thought any incident I might be in would go down like it does on TV maybe I would feel different....



NAH, I would still carry my 1911 cocked and locked


Sled

 

I'll play the other side here. I grew up shooting and carrying DA revolvers. So naturally I don't care much for a manual safety on a semi-auto. When I carry a 1911 I carry it cocked and locked, a quick swipe of the thumb turns off the safety and your ready to roll. However when I carry a gun like my CZ p-07 I chamber a round and use the decocker to put it in DA. Still a round in the chamber, still ready to fire just with a DA pull, no safety to switch off etc... I don't see any disadvantage to carrying decocked in DA with a round chambered, maybe for someone who isn't used to DA triggers it might not be good but it works for me.

 

Cocked and locked........:yup:

A few folks prefer to carry with an empty chamber and the hammer down then rack the slide as part of the draw when the weapon is needed putting a round in the chamber but the safety would be off unless placed in the safe posistion after the round has been chambered. Unless you have trained extensively in that method as some do in Israel I would not reccommed it.

 

cocked and locked:danceban:

 

Cocked, locked, and ready to rock.....

 

I don't own a SAO, but cocked and locked with no grip safety would, personally, make me nervous. Some manual safeties are easily disengaged. I'd never carry my DA/SA CZ-82 cocked as the SA trigger is light and short, and if the safety were accidently bumped off, it's ready to go.

But to each their own, and if they feel comfortable cocked and locked with any make, they should do so.

 

So Glocks make you nervous? You would carry it cocked but no safety but your finger. My friend bought a Glock, his first one and told me that he was not familiar with it and when he holstered, shot his pillow my first carry was a Glock 21 so I asked him if he read the owners manual, no, of course not. You are as comfortable as you practice to be. If you are nervous about the trigger pull you can get a6 lbNY trigger for the Glocks, or a 4.5 for a 1911 feel, like you said if you feel comfy go ahead, like the officers at the range say, "I am cocked and locked, you will have to chamber who would win?

 

opcorn:

Wow....


OK.
1: The M1910 did not have a thumb safety, the M1911 as patented DID have a thumb safety this the M1911 was designed to have a thumb safety. The reason the thumb safety was added was to give the troops a safe way to carry the firearm until it could be returned to condition 3, this later changed to that the M1911 should be carried condition 1 when "expecting trouble" and is now "the norm" for LE duty and civilian carry. The military carries condition 3 when in garrison, but goes hot during operations etc.

2: Most instruction manuals tell you not to carry a loaded gun. This varies from model to model, but a majority of them do not touch on modes of carry, if you'd like I can provide several examples later, on a different machine at the moment. So following the instruction manual may not be a good idea unless we want the OP carrying condition 4 with the gun in a locked container...:idea:

3: There are a variety of SAO semi automatics, not just the the 1911, think Mustang, Hi Power, Sig 238, 220 SAO etc.

4: Most of the above guns will not allow you to either: A: engage the safety with the hammer down (1911) or thumb cock the hammer with the safety on (Colt Mustang/Sig 238), I don't think I've ever tried it on my Hi Power, maybe I'll play with that tonight.

5: Getting back to the actual question and away from pulling each others' puds....

I carry all my SAO automatics that are equipped with thumb safeties in a cocked and locked fashion. It's the easiest and safest to deploy. Lowering the hammer on a live round is bad juju as you are required to disengage the firing pin safety (if equipped) to pull the trigger to lower the hammer, if you slip you're in for a big loud surprise. Even if you did lower the hammer safely in order to thumb cock the gun you need to compromise your grip by rolling the thumb over to the hammer.

I don't know about anyone else but when I mimic a gun with my hand and roll my thumb over, my index finger rolls down as well right about to where the trigger would be...under stress that would be another way to induce a negligent discharge.

Carrying it cocked with thumb safety off may not be "that bad" :gah: as there is still the grip safety to contend with, I would not advocate that method. The other types of SAO autos I mentioned do hot have the grip safety so I definitely would not advocate carrying those with the thumb safety off either.

Back to the 1911 and thumb cocking, if I were to carry in such a manner, I would only do so with a wide GI style hammer, the "Commander hammers" just don't have enough surface area IMHO for thumb cocking.


So again, I carry my Mustangs, Sig 238, Hi Power, 1911s all condition 1. When I carried a Sig 220 SAO, it was condition 1. When I carry my XDM and P7 (single action, striker fired) I carry them with one in the chamber and grip safeties active.


I'm not ever going to comment on condition 3 in this thread, it's bad enough as it is...:essen14:

 

Cocked and locked. Even if you knock the safety off while in the holster by getting in/out fo car, etc you still have the trigger covered and if its a 1911 you have the grip safety and you won't shoot your horse by AD. The DA/SA that was mentioned earlier (i.e Sig P229) has the strong pull DA with all other pulls SA. It was designed to carry one chambered and hammer down (never SA mode - hammer cocked). The P229 doesn't have an external safety and frankly doesn't need one. It would be similar to carrying a revolved with all chambers loaded and not cocked. The P229 and such are designed to be "drop safe". An original 1911 was not designed to be "drop safe" with hammer down on a live chambered round.

 

I think JD said it best....and now that I have joined the ranks of 1911 style pistola carriers, I carry cocked and locked, why would you do anything eslse?