I got my PLR-16 a few weeks ago, tricked it out with all of the goodies, and I'm very happy with it. The SIG is nice, after all it is a SIG, but is it another $1000 nice? Not for me. I can buy alot of ammo with that $1000 and spend the time I'd be sitting at home fondling the empty SIG shooting my PLR instead!

 

Comparing the two guns that amount to little more than a cool toy, I'd stick with the KelTec. Sure, the Sig is built with a little more quality and is slightly sexier, I couldnt justify spending that much more money for a range toy, especially if I already had the PLR that I was happy with.

 

I would not pay 1000 for the diff

now 700 vs 1000..... ok

 

Pistols

For parts and sevice, you can't beat Kel Tec. If you have a broken part call them and you'll get two or three replacements in the mail the next day.

And if you're considering spending extra money, spent an extra $200 and make an awkward pistol into a useful short barreled rifle.

 

Personally, the above replies pretty much sum up my feelings about the PLR. Still, the Sig is a nice weapon and I was hoping to hear from a few people who'd shot one just to compare it to the K-T. I asked this same question on the main SIG forum and the only reply I received was the basic "you get what you pay for" answer.

BTW, I personally don't consider either gun a "Range Toy" by any means. Aside from long distance shooting (which to me is anything much beyond 100 yds), they will perform the same roles as an AR or AK and due to their size, can probably do many of them better. Also, in the case of the PLR you have a MUCH less expensive alternative to either an AR or an AK considering the current inflated prices we're seeing for anything that resembles an "assault" style gun. I'm actually surprised the PLR hasn't skyrocketed in price already!:aargh4:

 

I would only purchase one of these I could get the proper paperwork taken care of to SBR them.

 

Put on a side-folding stock and call it a day! :biggrin2:

On a slightly more serious note, I would never, ever carry one as a personal defense weapon unless I was sure I was going to have access to hearing protection. Short-barrel + .223 or 5.56 = pain in short order.


-B

 

I wish we could put a stock on these, and not deal with the 'SBR' stuff

 

Both are toys. No real use whatsoever. Balistics out of a short barrel .223 are not very impressive since its a velocity dependent caliber.

 

Hey Bob

Our local boy toy store out in the country on "my side" of the river took a PLR16 in trade last week. Has a somewhat low end red dot scope mounted, and a sticker of $500. It was owned by an older gentleman that fired very few rounds through it and decided he just could not handle it.

If you're interested, pop me a p.m.

surv

 

Howdy,
Did you make it to the gun show here this past weekend at Maude Cobb? The truth is I'm happy with the PLR I currently have and instead of buying either another PLR or the Sig, I just may invest in some good reloading equipment. That way I'll have a steady supply of ammo for the gun I already have and won't be forced to pay through the nose for it! :blackeye:

As for the show, there were LOTS of AR style rifles. In fact, many of the AR's I saw priced in the $1,200-$1,500 range on Saturday were REDUCED on Sunday by a few hundred dollars! OTOH, most venders had a good supply of full size pistols including S&W, Ruger, Glock, SA, SIG and Taurus to name a few but pocket pistols by any maker were few and far between. Kel-Tec's sold out as fast as dealers could put them out along with other small (32/380 cal) pistols plus small frame revolvers and (surprisingly) derringers. I felt so sorry for one dealer I do a fair amount of business with over the years I sold him my P-3AT so he'd have one in stock! Around a year after I initially got my 380 I bought it's bigger brother, the PF-9, and the P3AT became a safe queen. Since I hadn't shot the 380 in almost 2 years and it wasn't doing anything other than taking up a spot in my gun safe, I decided to sell it to the same dealer I purchased it from. He paid me the same price I paid him when I first got the gun NIB, then sold it within 30 minutes as used (though it would pass for a new gun) and made $75 on the sale.

If you were there looking for ammo, you were okay as long as you weren't looking for 380, 9mm, 45 Auto, 223/5.56 and anything in a Russian caliber. As for the stuff I just mentioned, dealers were buying it from one another and and selling it as fast as they could put it on the tables. FWIW, most people weren't buying just a few boxes, but cases or crates of 1,000 rds or more. If you were looking for hicap AR/AK magazines, forget it. Except for a few used mags in bins that were over priced by 50% over what you'd have paid before Christmas, there wasn't a mag to be found and the venders had no idea when more would be available. Several even had signs saying they were buying 20-30+ rd mags whether new or used. :blink:

Aside from the shortage of magazines, there were plenty of accessories for sale, lots of hunting rifles and shotguns as well as big caliber/big frame revolvers. Overall, I wasn't surprised at the shortage of ammo and small frame handguns, but I was surprised at the lack of interest in "black" rifles. OTOH I've also noticed that AR's have again started showing up on the shelves of local gun retailers in the past month. There were at least a dozen people walking the floor trying to sell what looked like new AR rifles, but the dealers either weren't interested or were offering a lot less than the owners thought they were worth because VERY few of them changed hands while I was there over a 2 day period. Could we be rounding a corner and the rush on AR style rifles has peaked or is this simply a pause before the next buying frenzy? :hand5:

 

Make sure you know the diff between 5.56 and .223 ammo, as far as trying to use either/or in the Keltec, or any rifle labled .223.

http://www.winchester.com/lawenforcement/news/newsview.aspx?storyid=11

Dan

 

Make sure you know the diff between 5.56 and .223 ammo, as far as trying to use either/or in the Keltec, or any rifle labled .223.

Winchester Law Enforcement

Dan

The PLR-16 is chambered for 5.56, I would assume, given the name, the SIG is also.

I'll not argue the "toy" BS, suffice it to say that there are plenty of SBR's chambered for 5.56 in use by LE depts and they are plenty effective. 2600+ fps is nothing to sneeze at.

 

Me calling it a toy was not meant as a slam... no matter what you use it for, there will be little difference between the two. There is no doubt the Sig is a high quality gun, but I don't think you'll see the diffence given the type of gun and its use.

 

My fault, I jumped the gun, -so to speak-, I had it in my head that the gun in the op was labled .223 Rem. I meant more to point out that more and more folks are under the impression these two calibers are the same, and that safety and wear is a factor as far as 5.56 into a .223 rifle, and accuracy a consideration in .223 for a 5.55 rifle.

Funny though, in Keltec's site, they often label the SU rifle 5.56, and then in the description below the pic, call it a .223.

dan

 

No need to SBR these things. A single point sling works just fine to steady the aim, and no stock to get in the way!

 

I have the Keltec and it is anything BUT a toy. Since it is a pistol, I can carry it loaded and ready with me here in Tennessee legally. No....I don't belt carry or under a jacket but rather, in a gym bag or such in the truck sitting next to me.
Which would you rather have fighting someone at distance, a handgun or an AR type pistol complete with red-dot, sling, bipod etc.
It is a weapon that either supplements your AR or your pistol.
Carrying a loaded long gun is illegal here. Carrying a loaded pistol is not [with permit].

I can hit a playing card at 100 yards with the PLR16. Let's see you do that with your pistol!

 

Hello WC145,

That's a GG&G 1217 tactical bipod. For the most part it works well, but when shooting off the bench there's a little too much bounce and I prefer a bag.

 

These purpose built cool toys were manufactured for a specific intent or purpose which is entering a building after breach. If you talk to people who are breaching meth labs and crack houses they will all tell you the same thing. If you depend on the reliability of your entry weapon EVERY DAY, it is well worth the extra expense. SEMIFULLAUTO

I don't need to talk with those people; I am one. And I agree with you thought. If I were buying the gun for a true need, It would be the Sig no question. (Good news is, my agency buys them for me) However, if I were Joe gun enthusiast who just wanted a range toy or something to toss in the truck to look cool, I'd buy the KelTec.