good 1st post

and spot on in that those who do not study the past are doomed to .....
well, its better to know than to kinda think you do.
and those old guys dealt with the docks in the Shanghai days.

studied what was not working and came up with what did using tools of the day.

i have a lot of respect for them.

and it is the old 'stories' i find of interest; not so much the new 'ways'

 

Welcome to the forum :urla9ub:

 

Welcome from Florida! Good 1st post. almier:

 

I am well versed in Fairbairn and Sykes, and there methods. While there methods are sound teachings, one must remember that many things are subjective. There is no one technique that is the best.
But, the best technique is the one you use at the time.

Also remember, for safety reasons the use and practice of some techniques are impractical in a group setting.

 

I'm going to have to disagree with ...

"Crossdraw carry means the right hand can more reliably locate the web of the hand into the pistol. Cross draw means that the pistol can be better protected whilst under sudden attack allowing it to be drawn whilst fending off. Drawing and bringing to aim is way faster."

I didn't realize there was a rash of webs of hands not finding pistols in people who have been trained well.

And with the crossdraw, it really is going to depend on where your hands are when your draw begins. With the easy availability of a digital timer you can test this now. Test it WITH A TIMER and see which is faster.

I also do not agree that it is easier to defend. Again, test it. Get a NON COMPLIANT opponent and an airsoft gun..or hell, even a watergun and start with him 2 arms length away. You go for your gun and see how easy or hard it is to defend it from crossdraw. Id MUCH prefer trying to disrm someone drawing from crossdraw than someone drawing from strongside....it is easier for me get to the gun, to stay out of the line of the muzzle and easier for me to DESTROY your gun arm. You are essentially giving me the back of your arm and having to do more articulation to get the muzzle turned toward me...again...go work it with a NONCOMPLIANT oponent and you might change your mind on crossdraw.

While many of F and S's conclusions are stil valid, some are a little dated now due to better technology of holsters available and better understanding of proxemics, OODA cycle and frankly the difference in clothing and customs now and here vs then and there.

 

+1 CHL,

Bryce, Jordan and others come to mind.

 

I prefer the appendix mode to crossdraw.

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Me too.

 

Add me to appendix mode too.

 

Cross draw is about the worst carry method that I can imagine.

 

IMO... while cross draw may not be for me... or for many others... But it has it's place. I have carried cross draw, twist draw, appendix, kidney, strong side hip, pocket, ankle, mexican, perpetrator, shoulder holster vertical, horizontal, and upside down, and chest.

In my own experience the mode of carry is decided by the dress code, activity, danger presented, kind of duty, comfort, and preference.

Again in my opinion... speed is the least important consideration when choosing a method of carry. I believe that security, and access are paramount.

Spuk!

 

I would somewhat disagree. I consider security and speed of equal importance. Circumstances in any given situation will determine the relative importance of each. Access is a sub factor, as without access, there is no speed.

 

Crossdraw isn't for me, but still a good first post.

Welcome

 

Appendix inside the waistband

Dale Fricke holsters via Suarez International.

If F & S were around today they would say "well done chap, cheerio!"

 

Welcome...

from Central Florida!

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I can't carry appendix- there's more than a little too much overhang for that to work. :redface: I tend to carry at either a 4:30-5:30, or 7:30-8:30 position, and don't have trouble drawing.
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I can see a few advantages of carrying appendix and cross drawing- that could make for one fast draw, while letting you keep the elbow of your gun hand ready to slam into your attacker as you draw (but only in close quarters- like if you were being rushed), and the benefit if not necessarily looking like you're drawing until it's too late- if done correctly.

 

Post wasn't about a BUG; but cross-draw appendix (for right-handers, stomach) is one of best for a BUG (OMOYMMV).