[matthew03]

I remember the Springfield one being protruded when cocked but the PPS classic one for sure only begins to come out as you squeeze the trigger.

It wasn't my gun but I do remember thumbing it and trying to pull the trigger when unloaded and couldn't make it go click.

There's threads about it over at the Walther Forums.

https://www.waltherforums.com/forum/pps/29234-thumb-over-cocking-indicator-when-reholstering.html

Maybe @Militant can test with it unloaded and confirm for us.

I believe you are correct.

 

[Holmes375]

You won't feel the strike indicator with lead in your leg.

That device is to let the user know the striker is cocked only, it is not a feature that would keep the trigger from being pulled.

Its designed to let the user know the striker is moving when it shouldn't be.

 

[BBMW]

For guns other than Glock with striker cocking indicators, whether they'd be useful in this regard depends on how the striker mechanism works. The Glock striker is only partially cocked before the trigger is pulled. Pulling the trigger completes the cocking stroke and then releases the striker. This gives the striker control device something to work with.

However, IIRC, some striker fired pistols are fully cocked after the slide cycles, and all the trigger pull does is release the striker (note, usually after deactivating a striker block safety.) They're essentially SAO, with no manual safety. This is how some of them get really good triggers (The PPQ comes to mind, but I can't say I'm sure.) This type of device would be useless on those.

 

[matthew03]

Its designed to let the user know the striker is moving when it shouldn't be.

Not the XD design.

 

[Holmes375]

Apologies. I didn't realize you were talking about a different system.

More coffee...

 

[SpringerXD]

I remember the Springfield one being protruded when cocked....

Correct. The XD series guns have a cocked striker indicator on the rear of the slide. It protrudes when cocked. They also have a loaded chamber indicator on top near the ejection port.

These allow the operator to tell in the dark if their gun is cocked and/or has a round chambered.

 

[jack7659]

I am using one on my Glock. I carry IWB at around 4 o'clock. That and extra body weight means I can not see Glock very well when holster. I am not much worried about finger on trigger, but rather bit of whatever getting into trigger guard and causing discharge. Remote possibility but has happened. For this reason I like the "gadget." If I carried outside the body in winter I would be concerned about rain, sleet etc. freezing device shut, but I do not carry outside the body.

 

[dennis40x]

On occasion I wonder if subjects like this are a marketing ploy to generate interest in a product. Its more cost effect than an advertisement its a long the lines of gorilla marketing.

 

[JD]

The most cluefull people I know use SCDs on their Glocks.

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[OldVet]

These allow the operator to tell in the dark if their gun is cocked and/or has a round chambered.

Muzzle flash is a pretty good indicator also.

 

[matthew03]

Correct. The XD series guns have a cocked striker indicator on the rear of the slide. It protrudes when cocked. They also have a loaded chamber indicator on top near the ejection port.

These allow the operator to tell in the dark if their gun is cocked and/or has a round chambered.

Operators know if their guns are loaded. :yup:

 

[10thmtn]

Operators know if their guns are loaded. :yup:

Are those the same “operators” who carry “full sized fighting pistols” (sic)? :rofl:

I wish I had a dollar for every “operator” who shot themselves or (worse) someone else with their unloaded gun.

In all seriousness, this is about the perfect safety, as you only need to use it when you want to, and is otherwise transparent in use. No need to worry about forgetting to go from “safe” to “fire” under stress.

I’m willing to give it a try, and I’m generally not one to make too many mods to a carry gun.

 

[AzQkr]

The most cluefull people I know use SCDs on their Glocks.

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The most clueful people I know don't need an SCD, haven't needed an SCD nor ever will need one to reholster a glock safely.

 

[SpringerXD]

Operators know if their guns are loaded. :yup:

True. There are operators and there are operators. In this context, I was referring to just operators.

:smile:

 

[Rabbit212]

The most clueful people I know don't need an SCD, haven't needed an SCD nor ever will need one to reholster a glock safely.

🤔🤔🤔🤔

 

[lee n. field]

The lack of a manual safety is the main reason I've never owned a Glock and don't plan to. Like I've always said, the trigger "safety" isn't one as far as I'm concerned, because if my finger is on the trigger.....

I have four XD's, different models and all in .45. But if they didn't have the grip safety, I would look elsewhere.

I see the Striker Control Device as getting you the same level of safety as the XD grip safety, in a slightly different way. Instead of lifting the palm away from the grip safety slightly as you guide the gun into your holster, the very same action has you with the thumb on the SCD.

(And yes, I have 2 XD-s and 2 XDSes, and one Glock, equipped with SCD.)

I have been involved in after action investigations as well. I have seen cops shoot themselves in the butt with double action revolvers. Everything you do to idiot proof something creates another failure point and the true idiots are immune anyway.

You could just not have your finger by the trigger, but that would be too simple.

This is my safety.....unfortunately your safety is being run by your brain. Brain fog, brain fart, mental fatigue, adrenaline dump or any number of things can make your safety....well not that safe.
Then there is "my safety is between my ears" uh huh how many times has that guy let you down over the years??
...
Lol rant over, heck I dont even own a glock!!!! But if I did I would install this device on it.

What I worry most about is the "brain fart". Over familiarity, a moment's inattention, BOOM! Anything technological that helps head that off, is good.

Installing a Striker Control Device on my G19 was what tipped me over to actually (sometimes) carrying it.

 

[Holmes375]

The most clueful people I know don't need an SCD, haven't needed an SCD nor ever will need one to reholster a glock safely.

I don't know that I need an SCD but I do prefer having one. Until someone shows me a distinct downside I'll probably continue feeling that way.

The only Glocks I carry any more are my G42s. They may be in a pants pocket, coat pocket, OWB at the hip or AIWB. Both have an SCD.

 

[maxwell97]

I suppose I shouldn’t make absolute statements, however, with most of this stuff, I’d say in situations where you can’t verify that your holster is clear, you’re probably not in a position where you should be holstering your gun.

I don't think its unrealistic. For example: you are attacked. You draw your weapon, the attacker puts his hands up. You tell him to get on the ground and hold him at gunpoint until police arrive.

So: the cruiser is now coming up the block. Do you take your eyes off the attacker to holster? Keep the gun in hand? Drop the gun?

IMHO, the safest thing to do is to keep eyes on the attacker while holstering (or, if it's a typical concealment holster that makes it difficult, putting the handgun in your waistband). It's hard to do that safely with a standard Glock.

 

[Havok]

I don't think its unrealistic. For example: you are attacked. You draw your weapon, the attacker puts his hands up. You tell him to get on the ground and hold him at gunpoint until police arrive.

So: the cruiser is now coming up the block. Do you take your eyes off the attacker to holster? Keep the gun in hand? Drop the gun?

IMHO, the safest thing to do is to keep eyes on the attacker while holstering (or, if it's a typical concealment holster that makes it difficult, putting the handgun in your waistband). It's hard to do that safely with a standard Glock.

That sounds like a situation where you either aren’t ready to reholsfer or you don’t need to be holding them at gunpoint.

 

[SpringerXD]

I see the Striker Control Device as getting you the same level of safety as the XD grip safety, in a slightly different way. Instead of lifting the palm away from the grip safety slightly as you guide the gun into your holster, the very same action has you with the thumb on the SCD.

That's not really where I was coming from about the grip safety. I wasn't talking about holstering. It's just the fact that there's a striker-fired gun in my pocket with one in the pipe. I feel better having some form of manual safety on board.